Rear sets

[SIX36]

How much on average to they adjust up compared to stock pegs?

Which brand allows height adjustment only without having to move up and back or forward??

I have been looking at the speedymoto rear sets as they have fold up pegs...

Cheers

[Captain]

It depends on each brand mr848 ... but why would you want one that ONLY allows only up and down? You don't have to move back if you don't want to, you know. Maybe I have not understood?

[SIX36]

Nah i do want forward and back adjustment but i want it independently from up and down. Some sets you can only move up if you move forward or back at the same time...

[Captain]

Vortex do what you want, but they don't bend.

[Captain]

I also noticed that you have the tankpads thread, so I'm seeing a pattern here. I like it, some riders don't realise that one of the purpose of the rearsets is to put your knee in just the right spot, so you can anchor in correctly. Too low and you just won't be in that 'sweet spot', it's the reason the ducati's tank is that shape.
The other benefit is that by moving them back, you're better 'anchored in' for acceleration :ayyy:

[*Oggy*]

These didnt look too bad.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CNC-Ducati-848-1098-1098S-Rearsets-Footpegs-Foot-Pedal_W0QQitemZ250377177671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_M otorcycle_Parts?hash=item3a4ba48a47&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CNC-Ducati-848-1098-1098S-Rearsets-Footpegs-Foot-Pedal_W0QQitemZ250377177671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_M otorcycle_Parts?hash=item3a4ba48a47&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

[Johnny]

Why is it the most obvious in business idea's is not seen or thought of ?, I mean heres a business idea just waiting for someone to grab with both hands.

i.e, if jack up/back plates where sold (plates which mount onto frame, where existing footpeg brackets mount straight onto it), they would sell like hotcakes.
Have been told they are sold, but yet to see one for a specific bike that allows you to use existing footrest bracket, only spares for brandname rearsets, sold .
Ive made up a set, fitted, removed, then lost between moving house ( couldnt get the adjustment I was after, and looked odd lol).

If anyone knows of such a product, please share details, if not and a group buy in order, put me down for a set..

[JOLT]

i.e, if jack up/back plates where sold (plates which mount onto frame, where existing footpeg brackets mount straight onto it), they would sell like hotcakes.
Have been told they are sold, but yet to see one for a specific bike that allows you to use existing footrest bracket, only spares for brandname rearsets, sold .
Ive made up a set, fitted, removed, then lost between moving house ( couldnt get the adjustment I was after, and looked odd lol).

If anyone knows of such a product, please share details, if not and a group buy in order, put me down for a set..

I'v got these

http://oesaccessories.com/sitebuilder/images/IMG_7005-250x166.jpg

http://oesaccessories.com/03-06600RR.html

[SIX36]

These didnt look too bad.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CNC-Ducati-848-1098-1098S-Rearsets-Footpegs-Foot-Pedal_W0QQitemZ250377177671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_M otorcycle_Parts?hash=item3a4ba48a47&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CNC-Ducati-848-1098-1098S-Rearsets-Footpegs-Foot-Pedal_W0QQitemZ250377177671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_M otorcycle_Parts?hash=item3a4ba48a47&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

Yeah but not fan of solid mount footpegs as they are known for braking frame tabs

[Captain]

If anyone knows of such a product, please share details, if not and a group buy in order, put me down for a set..

Such a product does exit Johnny, in fact I was going to fit it on my bike. I will see if I can find it for you, unfortunately I have a new laptop and most of my stuff is still on the old one (and it's playing up).

But yes, they definetely exist. Basically they are perforated plates, the holes are spaced and threaded to match the existing rearsets. Although sometimes (often) you have problems as the footpegs move but the levers don't (as they are connected separately).

[JOLT]

Captain: Are they different to the ones I'v linked to? (might save you looking if they are.)

[Johnny]

Thanx Jolt. Unfortunetly could not find any for the Yamy in the link you posted.
Cap, thanx, to both you and Jolt, atleast I know they are on the market, even if I cant find a set lol..
link to bike specific or to were else sold would be appreciated though :ayyy:

[Captain]

Captain: Are they different to the ones I'v linked to? (might save you looking if they are.)

Yes, they are, they look just like the plate that comes with the vortex rearsets, with a number of holes so you can choose where you want to be.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:8qleLqm10AXUNM:http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/attachments/pashnitbusa-com/115250d1222399758-vortex-rearsets-hayabusa-img_2946_vortex_rearsets.jpg

[Johnny]

Them will do just nicely Cappy, but were from mate ?

[2ndclasscitizen]

Why is it the most obvious in business idea's is not seen or thought of ?, I mean heres a business idea just waiting for someone to grab with both hands.

i.e, if jack up/back plates where sold (plates which mount onto frame, where existing footpeg brackets mount straight onto it), they would sell like hotcakes.
Have been told they are sold, but yet to see one for a specific bike that allows you to use existing footrest bracket, only spares for brandname rearsets, sold .
Ive made up a set, fitted, removed, then lost between moving house ( couldnt get the adjustment I was after, and looked odd lol).

If anyone knows of such a product, please share details, if not and a group buy in order, put me down for a set..

Woodcraft make those.

[Captain]

Them will do just nicely Cappy, but were from mate ?

I will find them..... hopefully soooner than later. From memory, zRoYz put me onto them.

This is one of them: http://www.oppracing.com/products/756-lightech-oem-rearset-adapter-plates/ Tell 'em the price, son :cursing:

http://www.oppracing.com/image.php?image=pr4750_3_img_0911.jpg

[Johnny]

Thanx Guys, none for the yamy in any of those :(

[Captain]

C'mon mate, the internt is your friend. Lightech is italian, so you type lightech, and add a .it at the end, and voila': http://www.lightech.it/catalogo.asp?PaginaCorrente=4&x=&filtro=(Categoria1=23)&descfiltro=(PEDANE)&contiene=&contiene_c=
They have them, both adjustible and fixed. Unfortunately they don't have the pics, nor do I know the difference between the two :lmao:
I suggest sending them an email, they will probably understand english, everyone does. If you really hit a wall, let me know :ayyy:

[Johnny]

Thanx, stuck already :lmao:
Your right, no pics and I cant understand it :)

Will send off an email and let you know wether they reply.

Thanx mate :ayyy:

[Kris]

Guys, sorry to drag this up.

Im thinking of putting rearsets on my road bike, I'm finding when I really push up my knees i get alot more grip on the tank and that really releases pressure from my wrists, the issue is my feet are so extended up at the ankle it feels uncomfortable and they sink back down eventually

This is the relaxed position, less tank grip, more wrist pressure but the ankle angle is far easier to hold.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3442/3860565182_3f7fc9f808.jpg

This is the ankle extended up, far more tank grip, my knee really sits nicely into the tank scollop and there is less pressure on my wrists as my knees are taking the weight. Only issue is, holding this position with my ankles is near impossible. Would rearsets fix this?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3860565186_0996410ac7.jpg

Would rearsets fix the issue? I think i need them to go back a bit too...

[Captain]

Yes, of course, that's exactly what they're supposed to fix. As you can see you're extending your foot to compensate for the fact that the reasets are too low. You can't ride like that!
Do it :ayyy:

[Kris]

Fuck, another $500 I need to spend :D Thanks Julian!

[Captain]

Welcome to motorcycling mate :ayyy:

[Johnny]

Would rearsets fix the issue? I think i need them to go back a bit too...
CSS levels two and three will...

Your riding duckfooted mate, has nothing o do with rearsets, its body positioning that needs correcting...

Think you were pulled up for this on level one ???


( no offence meant in the slightest, just an observation that I myself am guilty of :o )

[senergy]

Kris,
When your going straight then your extended position will help, but once you start hanging off the side you will notice its too high and doesn't sit in nicely, you need some pegs that are half way between.

[SIX36]

CSS levels two and three will...

Your riding duckfooted mate, has nothing o do with rearsets, its body positioning that needs correcting...

Think you were pulled up for this on level one ???


( no offence meant in the slightest, just an observation that I myself am guilty of :o )

What do u mean by duckfooted? i am assuming toes pointed out?

When i spoke to CCS instructor at EC he said the middle section of the ball of your foot should be on the ball or outer end of the peg so you knee/leg can pivot on it?

[Johnny]

What do u mean by duckfooted? i am assuming toes pointed out?

When i spoke to CCS instructor at EC he said the middle section of the ball of your foot should be on the ball or outer end of the peg so you knee/leg can pivot on it?

exactly ! :ayyy:

There is a difference between outer end and off peg..


And its something that I need working on too, which is why I will be doing the course myself in due time, instead of just watching and doing the theory. Wont be till next year, unfortunetly :( .

[Kris]

CSS levels two and three will...

Your riding duckfooted mate, has nothing o do with rearsets, its body positioning that needs correcting...

Think you were pulled up for this on level one ???


( no offence meant in the slightest, just an observation that I myself am guilty of :o )

Pulled up? no, i didnt get one comment about body positioning. I do get pain on my outside leg ALOT on the track, and track only. I doubt duckfooted has anything to do with standard road riding. They are simply too low.

So, if you believe its duckfooted, how can i correct it?

Senergy, thanks. This issue is only commuting riding, mostly going straight... I save the hanging off for the track to which my rearsets I have there are adjustable. That said, i do get this pain on my outside leg when track riding and ive got no idea what it is. I think im pivoting my foot :(

[Johnny]

So, if you believe its duckfooted, how can i correct it?


Wrong person to ask mate, sorry, as I said Im guilty of it myself... :o

Our very own JasonBW is one of the instructors at CSS, hopefully he will chime in and set as straight !

[Captain]

Kris, trust me mate and get the rearsets, I've been through it. The position you will work on, this is irrespective of it, you still need rearsets (moved up and back to):

Get you knee into the tank's sweet spot
Provide better anchoring during acceleration
Give you a little more road clearance (you will need it sooner than you think)


To top it all off, that's a sweet looking bike and rearsets are a must. But that's truly a secondary thing, I admit when mods are just bling, but rearsets are a necessary performance item :ayyy:

[Kris]

Julian, I agree. Johnny just got me thinking... I have vortex rearsets on the track bike and I find it incredibly comfortable (i feel more comfortable on the smaller bike then the blade) so I think, like you, rear sets are a must.

There is still a footing position I need to work with the track bike....

[*Oggy*]

Pulled up? no, i didnt get one comment about body positioning. I do get pain on my outside leg ALOT on the track, and track only. I doubt duckfooted has anything to do with standard road riding. They are simply too low.

So, if you believe its duckfooted, how can i correct it?

Duckfoot normally refers to riding with your heel lip resting on the footpeg and feet angled outwards so your toes are 4 odd inches below the actual pegs.. (so easy to scrap boots)..

what your meant to do is move foot back about 3-4 inches and use the ball of the foot to push down on the peg.. then toes "level" with foot peg...

so basically have ball of foot/base of big toe on the peg and see where your inside leg/knee locks into the tank and imagin moving peg up , forward or backward and see if if feels like you can lovk your leg into the tank better... if that sht e case then rearsets or jack plate will help you.....

[Johnny]

Duckfoot normally refers to riding with your heel lip resting on the footpeg and feet angled outwards so your toes are 4 odd inches below the actual pegs.. (so easy to scrap boots)...

Like so :dohsmiley: :o wont show ya's the other side, thats just fucking embarrasing :lmao:

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k456/arrrone/11-1.jpg

[Kris]

Oggy, if thats the case i dont think im duckfooted. I always ride with the ball of my foot (the pad behind your toes) right on the peg

This photo demonstrates that, but, is this right??? I think this shows my knee away from the tank and my entire leg pivotted, maybe the reason for the pain!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/3800735820_dfa651c37a_b.jpg

[Captain]

But on the outside peg it's good to have it your way Johnny.

In fact, I find my outside foot gets sore and uncomfortable, because I keep it 'in position' (on the ball) all the time, just like Kris. So I watched closely what the motoGP guys do, and sure enough, they reposition the outside foot like you're doing Johnny
:ayyy:

[Kris]

Got a picture Julian of exactly what the GP guys do for their outside foot??

[Johnny]

Thanx for that Captain, makes it less embarrasing :o, but I know I need help mate, and your previous post on rearsets helping with it from your own experience, makes alot of sence..

[*Oggy*]

Oggy, if thats the case i dont think im duckfooted. I always ride with the ball of my foot (the pad behind your toes) right on the peg

This photo demonstrates that, but, is this right??? I think this shows my knee away from the tank and my entire leg pivotted, maybe the reason for the pain!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/3800735820_dfa651c37a_b.jpg

Foots ok... its your nuts that are the problem..... :n:


Reason your knee isnt locking into the tank is that your riding with your nuts hugging the tank... try and have say 4 inches between your wedding tackle and the tank... try it and you'll see the leg will naturally lock onto the tank.... :ayyy:

[Johnny]

Thats covered in level three, butt as far back in seat as possible..

[Kris]

Oggy, thank you ill try and do exactly as you've described. Johnny, so does it appear i'm duck footed from the above photo? Your photo on the r1 above shows almost the exact same thing as me, foot pivoted out and away from the tank, not locked in...

Ok, so this sounds like it would resolve my leg issue. Arse further back. Be interested to see what the GP guys do with the outer foot.

In the mean time, i think i need some rear sets for the blade..

[SIX36]

Yeah u need to definitely get that outside knee hooked on the outside of the tank...
Try turn your outside foot to be parallel to your shin so your toes are pointing out away from the bike
Whats holding you on the bike?

[Captain]

Photo, sure: this is typical, the HEEL of the outside foot is on the peg :ayyy:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb260/edupininfarina/2007_ValentinoRossi_2.jpg

[Captain]

Although I'm sure you've all noticed, the racers don't really lock their knee into the tank ... not at all. It's more like they have their thigh locked into the rear quarter of the tank (if that makes any sense). It's probably because they're also a lot more forward into the seat (whereas CSS teaches you to push well back).

http://www.visordown.com/news/images/lorenzotest.jpg

http://www.flagworld.com/photos/d/19098-1/Rossi-TRACK+9B7628.jpg

[Cedric]

Hm..

I seem to have a different issue with locking into the tank.. can't seem to find a rearset position that I like and that allows me to lock in sufficiently with the outside leg. I carry most of my weight on the ball of my foot on the inside peg, which makes tight tracks painful for that reason; and more alarmingly can't seem to be able to hold onto the tank with the outside leg - I say alarmingly because more often than not coming across the bumpy part of T1 EC my outside leg is bouncing up and down on the peg and I'm holding on for dear life around the bars; not ideal. I feel crossed up and uncomfortable, taking T1 20km/h slower than I could on the 7R..

Anyone else have this issue? and more importantly have resolved it? I guess I'm not exactly sure where my leg is supposed to be positioned to aid maximum grip onto the outside of the bike. 7R, I could hang off like a monkey all day with no worries.. this new one has got me confused..

[*Oggy*]

I think trying to do what the top guys do is where we can become unstuck... like we need to learn staps 1, 2 then 3 until we get to say 10....

these guys are on level 35.... we aint going to get there and will hurt ourselves trying....

Bit like teaching students on the road.... with beginners you show them a safe road positioning that for a learner is "ok"... If you look where police or instructors ride on the road... well it looks more dangerous, but its actually a safer position (if you know what to look out for and what to assess/process) at that time.... blah blah blah..

Typical is the lines CSS school show you.. they aint the line you'd normally ride on a track day (or you will be taken out.....).. the lines allow you to learn and take in that single "step" they are trying to get accross.... once that point "clicks" in you rbrain, then you can start to understand how it links into the jigsaw of becoming a Rossi............ :ayyy:

[SIX36]

Very well put and explain and so true...

[Kris]

Interesting photos of the racers...thigh into the tank and then the outside heel! Hmm I'm going to experiment a bit this saturday and see what I can work out.

Strange CSS wants you further back on the seat in the advanced levels yet the racers are close to the tank!

I guess whatever works, works?

Interesting..

http://k43.pbase.com/o6/27/775027/1/79390505.uoppW3nt.DSC_0111_CaseyStoner.jpg

[j-rad]

Interesting photos of the racers...thigh into the tank and then the outside heel! Hmm I'm going to experiment a bit this saturday and see what I can work out.

Strange CSS wants you further back on the seat in the advanced levels yet the racers are close to the tank!

I guess whatever works, works?

Interesting..

http://k43.pbase.com/o6/27/775027/1/79390505.uoppW3nt.DSC_0111_CaseyStoner.jpg

I think they are using the heel so they can maximise weighting that peg and since there's no toe grinding issues like the inside footpeg? Closeness to the tank might depend exactly what corner, where the weight is best served? I'd think as far forward with chest as close to tank as possible? I've not done any rider training mind you so it's all just theory in my head that's probably wrong.....alot of it might come down to rider preference too and how the suspension has been tailored to suit....

Which brings me to: Isn't it interesting what makes a good setup for Person A does not suit Person B - even if rider weight/speed being taken into account I've heard Rossi likes lots of rear ride height compared to alot of riders so comes down to personal preference?

Here's what I'm running, they are tops, plently of adjustment!
http://www.rpmcw.com/pictures/171c/PP-Tuning-Rearsets.jpg

[lilninja]

Wht brand are they J?

[Captain]

All true. What interested me about the outside foot position (good pic of Stoner BTW) is that it might relieve the discomfort I experience by consistently twisting my foot as you need to if you keep on your toes. In fact, i tried this on the recent Wollomi ride and sure enough, plenty of relief.


I think they are using the heel so they can maximise weighting that peg
I could be wrong j-rad, but I don't believe that they do it to maximise the weight on that peg; having watched them very closely, I see no pressure there, I think the heel is resting lightly on the outside peg. When you want to push on something, you use the ball of your foot, or if you were to use your heel then you'd have your toes pointing upwards (as you push your heel down).

http://k43.pbase.com/o6/27/775027/1/79390505.uoppW3nt.DSC_0111_CaseyStoner.jpg

[senergy]

resting your heels instead of your toes makes it easy to change gear/trail brake.
There is no way I can trail brake because im on the Ball pretty much all the time.
Last track day I noticed I was sitting well back and was able to lock myself in much better. Able to get much greater lean angles (scraping toes sliders now) thus speed and ended up doing PB's all day.
I've gone up and back 1.5inches for the rearsets but I dont think its enough for me..

[j-rad]

Wht brand are they J?

PP Racing...mind you I have seen stickers looking like OPP but thought they were just PP.....

[Johnny]

Its getting more and more confusing with each post..


I can almost garuantee you, if I was to think about all this shit whilst riding and supposedly having fun, it will not only take away from the fun factor and slow me down, I would more than likely find myself sliding down on the rd on my arse, thinking, ooh that hurt :dohsmiley:

[j-rad]

Its getting more and more confusing with each post..


I can almost garuantee you, if I was to think about all this shit whilst riding and supposedly having fun, it will not only take away from the fun factor and slow me down, I would more than likely find myself sliding down on the rd on my arse, thinking, ooh that hurt :dohsmiley:

Rider Preference.....

I like using my heel/arch resting on outside peg to push down as hard as poss when under gas on exit, personally I feel like I can get more balanced weight through the peg but also helps push the whole body across too......

But that's just me and who know's maybe if I did it right I'd go faster again!

[Johnny]

Rider Preference.....


Exactly, and thanx for making me re-realize this.

Ive spent too much time on theory side of it, theory of what exactly ?, what suits someone else..

[*Oggy*]

Its getting more and more confusing with each post..


I can almost garuantee you, if I was to think about all this shit whilst riding and supposedly having fun, it will not only take away from the fun factor and slow me down,

Excatly what the instructors tell you... at first your laptimes will get worse... as you get out all the bad habits and start fresh the right way......

It also comes doen to physical strength and fitness to what level of hanging on /off you are capable of doing....

:ayyy:

[lilninja]

You really need your license back don't ya Johhny! not long now mate.

[j-rad]

Exactly, and thanx for making me re-realize this.

Ive spent too much time on theory side of it, theory of what exactly ?, what suits someone else..

Hey Johnny,
Yeh sorry mate, hope it was taken as intended :ayyy:

So many variables that ppl can choose from....Tyre brands can change suspension, the setup for me on X tyres will be different to you on Y tyres even if same weight, speed and bike, then of course there's differences in bikes/ergo's, tracks etc etc etc.....

I reckon there's a 'range' of the right way to do things and so long as your 'rider preference' falls either side of that then what makes you confident is what will make you faster....a better lap time will stay for a bit then you will find another setup item to work on, get faster, find and deal with the next issue and keep working til you're doing those 1:30s :D

So lost your licence hey? Sounds like there's a story in that!!! :)

[wade193]

Is anyone using the Kaneg rearsets? if so, are you happy with the adjustments? etc

[Kris]

Update to my dilemma, I just purchased and as new set of Vortex rearsets for the CBR1k. This should resolve the issue :D

[*Oggy*]

Update to my dilemma, I just purchased and as new set of Vortex rearsets for the CBR1k. This should resolve the issue :D

Good solution ot the dilemma... :ayyy:

[clarkey]

Update to my dilemma, I just purchased and as new set of Vortex rearsets for the CBR1k. This should resolve the issue :D

Use a washer to move the gear selector off the frame as standard fitment it will rub

[*Oggy*]

Use a washer to move the gear selector off the frame as standard fitment it will rub

Kris/Clarkey... remember I have a spare Genuine Vortex (left) and Vortex copy (left ) in the Garage.... god forbid you might need use of them...but thought I'd mention the fact.... :ayyy:

[ozducati]

Mr848, i just bought these and fitted them.. nicely made and have folding pegs ..

not cheap, but nicely finished.. i got the black ones..

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/Michael2511/rearsets1.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/Michael2511/rearsets2.jpg


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DUCATI-1098-RS-SBK-PEDANE-REGOLABILI-E-RECLINABILI-GRIG_W0QQitemZ380127889729QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRicam bi_e_Accessori_Moto?hash=item5881634941&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262#ht_1909wt_1167

[Kris]

Use a washer to move the gear selector off the frame as standard fitment it will rub

Thanks clarkey, im now trying to order the Vortex brake light switch too! Thanks Oggy, ill keep that in mind ;) nice of you to offer