Manufacturers suppling Superbikes

[Kringle]

I have to ask and it's probably a dumb question, why don’t manufacturers build bikes for the track?

Most production bikes are sprung to carry two people which means the first thing you have to throw out when putting your so call supersport bike on the track is the rear spring and the list goes on.

Manufactures should release bikes with a glass fairing, slicks, reversed shifts and so that we don't have to buy all the shit we don't want like mirrors and quite exhaust systems. There must be a market for this???????????????????

[WET4URacing]

1098r

[Cedric]

Any sports Ducati with an R after the number.. Not to mention the Yamaha R7.. :ayyy:

All about homologation for racing with concessions to road riders...

[WET4URacing]

Any sports Ducati with an R after the number.. Not to mention the Yamaha R7.. :ayyy:

All about homologation for racing with concessions to road riders...


So ZX7R is 1 too

[Cedric]

So ZX7R is 1 too

Any sports Ducati with an R after the number.

[WET4URacing]

oh ok . what about a ZX7RR

[Devilish]

so how are manufacturers supposed to make money in extra parts and aftermarket accessories?? if they gave you everything you wanted everytime, they would have to charge a mint for it to make money... hence charging a mint for a 1098R...

it's all about money making, not keeping us all happy...

[2ndclasscitizen]

I'm assuming they don't bother since the smaller production runs probably wouldn't make them cheaper enough than a road version.

[Specs]

so how are manufacturers supposed to make money in extra parts and aftermarket accessories?? if they gave you everything you wanted everytime, they would have to charge a mint for it to make money... hence charging a mint for a 1098R...

it's all about money making, not keeping us all happy...

well most people dont buy aftermarket parts from the bike manufacturer.

[Devilish]

ok, but you get my point...

if they supply it, it kills the industry

[Kringle]

If you took the R1 for example, $20,000 plus on road. I'd be happy spending $30,000 for a full on track bike. The manufacturers of motorcycles have nothing to lose, why would they care about companies like Akro? I believe it's because of the amergance of the sport. It's very differeant from motocross were a CR250 has one purpose. I think manufacturers need to get with the times.............

[Captain]

What about the new Aprilia? I think the 'Factory' version is the good one, whilst the "S" is the cheaper version.

[Specs]

If you took the R1 for example, $20,000 plus on road. I'd be happy spending $30,000 for a full on track bike. The manufacturers of motorcycles have nothing to lose, why would they care about companies like Akro? I believe it's because of the amergance of the sport. It's very differeant from motocross were a CR250 has one purpose. I think manufacturers need to get with the times.............

well, building a track bike is part of the fun :)

[Kringle]

Nice bike but your still buying head lights (which means once thrown out you need a new fairing), mirrors, numberplate holder, road tyres, a quiet muffler etc etc Correct me if I'm wrong but do the guys who design these things ride. How about a 1-up 5-down shift and a decent shift light. rant rant rant

[Kringle]

I contact these guys last week about their AV1 (which has been a topic of discussion on RAT's before).

http://www.kalex-moto.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=6&Itemid=379

This is what the magor brand bike manufacture should be aiming for. For the price of the AV1 you could buy a Desmocidici and an 1198S and have some spare change but that said their only building 20 of them (thus the high price).

[Dean93]

Nice bike but your still buying head lights (which means once thrown out you need a new fairing), mirrors, numberplate holder, road tyres, a quiet muffler etc etc Correct me if I'm wrong but do the guys who design these things ride. How about a 1-up 5-down shift and a decent shift light. rant rant rant
RC8R - you can order it with a factory Akro and it'll be re-mapped for you. Race shift can also be fitted at dealer and it's cheap. 1/2hr to strip blinker/plate assy and tape up the front light if you don't want to go for race glass. Comes with good enough suspension to race.

And unlike the other manufacturers, KTM don't cop out on the warranty once you race.

But I'm biased.

[Kringle]

Yeah, I agree KTM are leading the way. The RC8R has to be the closesed production bike suitable for the track. Do you need to upgrade the clutch to a slipper?

I've been looking at the RC8R but when I went into the local KTM dealer (Newcastle) they didn't have any in stock and they didn't even want to get one in for me. Which means having to take it to Sydney for servicing and parts etc.

[Kimbo]

Accountants. I rest my case. That is the cause.

[2ndclasscitizen]

Yeah, I agree KTM are leading the way. The RC8R has to be the closesed production bike suitable for the track. Do you need to upgrade the clutch to a slipper?

I've been looking at the RC8R but when I went into the local KTM dealer (Newcastle) they didn't have any in stock and they didn't even want to get one in for me. Which means having to take it to Sydney for servicing and parts etc.

Why would you have to bring it to Sydney for servicing? if they're a KTM dealer they'll be able to look after it. They just didn't want to have to get a single, very expensive bike in for one person who may or may not buy it.

[Kringle]

I asked them if they would get one in if I wanted to order one and they didn't want a bar of it. They had heaps of motorcross bikes, looked like they were stay away from raod bike period. If they don't want road bikes at all they want carry any spares etc. I'd rather not take my bike somewhere were their not interested in them (they would be much help with set-ups either).

[RIPPERTON]

How much does a manufacturer charge for a headlight over the counter compared to what they get for it when they put it on a bike, dealer markup aside.
The difference between those 2 prices is what they are missing out on cause the wreckers are flooded with brand new headlights ect every time a road bike is tracked.
I think manufacturers should offer race versions that are already derestricted and mapped. Save a lot of time

[Dave75]

rgv250
nsr250
aprilia250

[Kringle]

At least offer an base version, where it's supplied with no fairing, lights, side stand, exhaust and supplied with slick were you could build up a track bike the way you want it (pay say 14K in stead of 20K, giving you 6K to put towards a race set-up). I reakon this would be such a benifit for motor cycle racing everywere. As well as for the track day guys.

[WET4URacing]

they sell in japan and i saw some in malaysia CBR1000rr 06 then with matt black fairings and no lights etc so it couldnt be put on the road . in malaysia it is 40% cheaper to buy a bike like that. Taxes etc on big road bikes is huge in most asian cuntrys

[RIPPERTON]

I reckon Honda could make a better Ti system for CBR than Akro could.

A race bike could be delivered with race glass slicks, rdy to ride just like motocross bike.

09R1 for example is too complicated for the average joe racer to mod up and club race

[Kringle]

Has anyone seen people selling bikes like this oversea new. Would be worth looking into, maybe some RAT's could get together and import half adozen of them.

[Specs]

Has anyone seen people selling bikes like this oversea new. Would be worth looking into, maybe some RAT's could get together and import half adozen of them.

well if you have the cash, many WSS teams like ten kate honda will build you an exact replica of the race bike if you want one.

[WET4URacing]

I reckon Honda could make a better Ti system for CBR than Akro could.

well y dor did HRC use them then

[WET4URacing]

Has anyone seen people selling bikes like this oversea new. Would be worth looking into, maybe some RAT's could get together and import half adozen of them.


then pay the local taxes

[SIX36]

Could a independent bike shop do this, surely selling off or keeping for future sale road fairings/lights etc to wreckers or other shops at a cheaper than buy price would still be profitable and replacing with race glass.
Just engine covers and race glass would be good enough, slicks and tire choice is to much person preference.

Bikes like the 1098R and RC8R should come with a set of skins, for $50K it wouldn't cost much from a factory to make a set up to accommodate these bikes at point of sale. or any bike for that matter.

Metros have a GSXR 600 or 750 new model '06 - '07 track only for sale ATM.

[oz r1]

Do some of the jap bike manufacturers(or others) own or partly own any after market exhaust ,suspension etc companies ? doesn't Yamaha own ohlins ?. If they do then why make a superbike in the factory as they would make more money on after market bits on the side.

[RIPPERTON]

well y dor did HRC use them then

Exhaust system performance = research time
research time = money
Honda has more money than Akro

[WET4URacing]

Do some of the jap bike manufacturers(or others) own or partly own any after market exhaust ,suspension etc companies ? doesn't Yamaha own ohlins ?. If they do then why make a superbike in the factory as they would make more money on after market bits on the side.


yamaha did own or some of Ohlins. the sweedes bort it back not that long ago.
KTM own WP i think now. zeno will know.

HRC tried to better the eastern blok pipes but couldnt so they gave up.

[2ndclasscitizen]

Do some of the jap bike manufacturers(or others) own or partly own any after market exhaust ,suspension etc companies ? doesn't Yamaha own ohlins ?. If they do then why make a superbike in the factory as they would make more money on after market bits on the side.

No. Yamaha used to own Ohlins, but last year or the one before that sold it off again.

[oz r1]

yamaha did own or some of Ohlins. the sweedes bort it back not that long ago.
KTM own WP i think now. zeno will know.

HRC tried to better the eastern blok pipes but couldnt so they gave up.


No. Yamaha used to own Ohlins, but last year or the one before that sold it off again.

You would think a finger in the pot would be a good thing for the bike manufacturers because the after market producer would be a gold mine , just look at most newly bought bikes ,they all seem to have a different exhaust or filter etc and the second hand bikes.

[zenodamper]

Do some of the jap bike manufacturers(or others) own or partly own any after market exhaust ,suspension etc companies ? doesn't Yamaha own ohlins ?. If they do then why make a superbike in the factory as they would make more money on after market bits on the side.

Öhlin's went back under own control from Yamaha (95% or so) in December '07.

WP have been WP and not White Power since 1993 (now mismanaged by KTM :spank:), with Abba not really actually being fashionable since, well, a long time ago!

Cannot see Honda changing its stance with Factory Showa - bloody hard to get anything but mediocre stuff out of them (which is over priced to boot), even if you are a large team! No idea how Lascorz wrangled that stuff... LOL

Money may be able to buy time and space; but ideas and intelligence are not allocated so conveniently Rip!

[muzz]

I have to ask and it's probably a dumb question, why don’t manufacturers build bikes for the track?

Most production bikes are sprung to carry two people which means the first thing you have to throw out when putting your so call supersport bike on the track is the rear spring and the list goes on.

Manufactures should release bikes with a glass fairing, slicks, reversed shifts and so that we don't have to buy all the shit we don't want like mirrors and quite exhaust systems. There must be a market for this???????????????????

honda hrc brought out the sp1s in race trim only bike
as far as wot ive read there was a basic racer and a full on super bike that
was avaliable

[Kringle]

Yeah, it's funny you should mention them. I remember the track versions of the SP1's. About 5 years ago I walked into a Honda dealer and asked about the track SP1's and he said they don't exist. When I said they did, he told me that if they did he would know.

That was a while ago, they might not have sold as well back then as they would now. I would think that there would be alot more people doing track days and racing now than back then.

[muzz]

check out how much parts cost for the hrc sp1/2 ..........ouch
https://www.slipstreamperformance.com.au/store/index.php?cPath=1_26&osCsid=2fdc13005d0ea9cac85359381875d738

[Kringle]

What about the new Aprilia? I think the 'Factory' version is the good one, whilst the "S" is the cheaper version.

Have been checking out the RSV4 (http://www.rsv4aprilia.com/), what a bike. There's not much you would have to do to this for a pretty serious track/race bike.

Has anyone riden one of these on the track?

[zenodamper]

Have been checking out the RSV4 (http://www.rsv4aprilia.com/), what a bike.
Has anyone riden one of these on the track?

Nope, one of the 2 bikes un-ridden as yet... but I have seen the shock ;)

[WET4URacing]

Have been checking out the RSV4 (http://www.rsv4aprilia.com/), what a bike. There's not much you would have to do to this for a pretty serious track/race bike.

Has anyone riden one of these on the track?


has 1 even landed in OZ yet?

[Kringle]

Don't know, BikeBiz are advertising them. I have been meaning to ring them to discuss.

[WET4URacing]

i was told first shipment arrives on sept 1 approx and all are presold

[jasonbw]

I have to ask and it's probably a dumb question, why don’t manufacturers build bikes for the track?

Most production bikes are sprung to carry two people which means the first thing you have to throw out when putting your so call supersport bike on the track is the rear spring and the list goes on.

Manufactures should release bikes with a glass fairing, slicks, reversed shifts and so that we don't have to buy all the shit we don't want like mirrors and quite exhaust systems. There must be a market for this???????????????????

Honda do, a person can go into a showroom and order a CBR (whatever youd like) Basic Racer. It'll come with all the track goods, ready to roll.. can't be rego'd.

[Kringle]

Just called BikeBiz, launch presentation by Aprilia in approx. 3 weeks, first shipment in about 4-6 weeks.
approx. $33500 on road for a RSV4 Factory