Rumour of the year ... motoGP will be 1000cc in 2012 ... make that 2011

[Captain]

Actually not really a rumour ... it's straight from the horse's mouth:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/carmeloezpeleta.jpg

They will also try and get rid of the 125's, a similar format to the 250's - moto2 changes, if they can find a suitable platform.

[Dunno]

That would be right.

Keeping in line with the current road bikes. The M1 will be a tweaked R1 engine to cut costs etc
Same as Moto2 being 600s. Jeez they are really trying to squeeze out the SBK format hey.

On one hand its good to see the 4 stroke technology trickle down to what is available to Joe public, Slipper clutches, cross plane crank shafts etc.

On the other hand the GPs were a little more elite when they were on fire breathing widow makers that the riders were scared of. Was more of a spectacle back then.

[RIPPERTON]

what for ?

got a link ?

[SIX36]

I herd the satelite teams where allowed to run the old 990cc engines to hoefully get closer racing...
It's a shame to the 2 smokers are going full stop they might even loose some rounds due to it as a few euro rounds the 125 and 250's are the main event one even running last as the main race...

[Captain]

what for ?

got a link ?
For you mate? Sure :ayyy: http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3287/motogp-to-go-back-to-1000cc

[RIPPERTON]

Thanks Cap
all this tooing and froing and rule changing for the sake of reducing costs is actually having the opposite effect proving the people in charge have absolutely no idea how the motorcycle industry works.

In MotoGP it would actually cost more to make 6 engines than it would to make 10 engines.
For example trying to engineer a pneumatic valve bellows that can last 3 races would take so much more engineering time and R&D than a bellows that only has to last 1.5 races (ie 1 race and practice at the next race) .
Building 10 1 race engines is a lot cheaper than engineering a 3 race engine

[hoffy]

I think there on the right track, limiting engine choise to the 1000cc factory type spec engine for each particular manufacturer will cut costs, but let them do whatever with the chassis..

Its currently the Ducati and Yamaha Cup..which is great n all, but I want to see closer racing.

Moto2 will certainly give us closer racing with everyone having the same spec engine and power output.

[Captain]

So we will have 1000 cc and 600cc, with close to standard motors? But we already have superbikes and supersports ..

[Lopeman]

I have the utmost confidance that dorna or the manufacturers will find a way to f**k it up if they go back

[hoffy]

So we will have 1000 cc and 600cc, with close to standard motors? But we already have superbikes and supersports ..

yeah, superbikes and supersport is the best racing on the planet ! Motogp can learn from SBK in my opinion..

[Mr.Ed]

So we will have 1000 cc and 600cc, with close to standard motors? But we already have superbikes and supersports ..
If they do go that route (and I doubt that'll be the case, but that's just my opinion) they'll probably put the focus on the bike being a prototype chassis and all... Spin Drs.:ayyy:

[dad]

Actually not really a rumour ... it's straight from the horse's mouth:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/carmeloezpeleta.jpg

They will also try and get rid of the 125's, a similar format to the 250's - moto2 changes, if they can find a suitable platform.

Mate, I shouldn't start myself on this one. :cursing:

Their (motogp management) argument is equalising podium opportunity by silly restrictions - "closer racing will be the result" they say.
What the #### , have'nt we got close racing now?

I've been a "Sack thar Bastards" advocate of motogp management since the introduction of the 800 bullshewasa episode :spank:

Bring back the full-on 1 litre capacity and speedway style riding on the black stuff. That's what fans want, Yes? Certainly not oversize 250's.
(Besides, more cc's = real sound = excitement = crowds = $$$$$$)

And another bitch, piss orf those silly exhaust cans and let motorcycles sound as such - resonating high decibel brilliance. Baza Sheen, bless him, tried but not far enough thanks to the overcrowded Euro's.

Open-slather technological innovation has always had proven benefits since Bathurst was dirt and dad was 7.

eg.,
The days of a sole top gun marque like Honda (before it was taken over by sloths) or the Agostini/MV days of technology leadership are gone to never return - shyte, I owned 5 Ducati's before anyone knew where Bologna was; outside of the Italians.
Who would ever believe a small factory would do the cashed-up Japs?

- and again in 2010 :mod_smilie_rockwoot


Cheers

dad

:beatdeadhorse:

[yogi]

yeah, superbikes and supersport is the best racing on the planet ! Motogp can learn from SBK in my opinion..

+1:ayyy:

[Captain]

Who would ever believe a small factory would do the cashed-up Japs?

Maaaaate .... http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/i/italy-flag-waving-emoticon-animated.gif :D

[*Oggy*]

Will Ducati be allowed to run a 1200 in this 1000 class ??? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Captain]

They're Italians ... ability only gets you so far ... then you cheat (or bribe to have the rules changed). Ever been to a soccer match?

[WET4URacing]

Mate, I shouldn't start myself on this one. :cursing:

Their (motogp management) argument is equalising podium opportunity by silly restrictions - "closer racing will be the result" they say.
What the #### , have'nt we got close racing now?

I've been a "Sack thar Bastards" advocate of motogp management since the introduction of the 800 bullshewasa episode :spank:

Bring back the full-on 1 litre capacity and speedway style riding on the black stuff. That's what fans want, Yes? Certainly not oversize 250's.
(Besides, more cc's = real sound = excitement = crowds = $$$$$$)

And another bitch, piss orf those silly exhaust cans and let motorcycles sound as such - resonating high decibel brilliance. Baza Sheen, bless him, tried but not far enough thanks to the overcrowded Euro's.

Open-slather technological innovation has always had proven benefits since Bathurst was dirt and dad was 7.

eg.,
The days of a sole top gun marque like Honda (before it was taken over by sloths) or the Agostini/MV days of technology leadership are gone to never return - shyte, I owned 5 Ducati's before anyone knew where Bologna was; outside of the Italians.
Who would ever believe a small factory would do the cashed-up Japs?

- and again in 2010 :mod_smilie_rockwoot


Cheers

dad

:beatdeadhorse:

yeh casey kept his wheels inline on the way down to honda didnt he???? your eyes must be older than u pops.

[Falco]

They're Italians ... ability only gets you so far ... then you cheat (or bribe to have the rules changed).

Yeah, we know!

Just take last years tyre rule for instance.

[clarkey]

Yeah, we know!

Just take last years tyre rule for instance.

Or payin tax, that is for suckers :lmao:

[Captain]

I hear ya fellas ... it's one of the things I don't like about the joint ... the bribery, the scams, the politics etc. Why do you think I'm always so scheptical? Why do I suspet eveything is rigged? I've seen scams that you cannot even imagine.
Trouble is, it's a very advanced and sophisticated society ... in many ways, it's a sign of things to come.

[The Outsider]

Its currently the Ducati and Yamaha Cup..which is great n all, but I want to see closer racing.




you want closer than it is now? some ppl are hard to please :confused1:nd

and before the yamaha and ducati cup it was the yamaha cup and before that it was the honda cup and before that it was the.............you see where this is going?

racing will never be equal while it tries to be a little bit of something for everyone.

and now this talk of close to standard engines? that has got to be the biggest load of crap i have ever heard :dohsmiley:

the truth is the mob with the most money usually win and thats the way it should be, it forces everyone else to try and catch up and make their bike better.

is it a coincedence that ducati and yamaha have fought it out for both the titles in motoGP and WSB? me thinks not :ayyy:

[xcabbi]

In MotoGP it would actually cost more to make 6 engines than it would to make 10 engines.
For example trying to engineer a pneumatic valve bellows that can last 3 races would take so much more engineering time and R&D than a bellows that only has to last 1.5 races (ie 1 race and practice at the next race) .
Building 10 1 race engines is a lot cheaper than engineering a 3 race engine
Yes that is true. But it is also cheaper to build a large capacity engine compared to a small capacity engine for the same power level.
Assuming the new 1000cc engine will make a paultry 200hp or so then 3 races is a snack compared to the 800's. It would make it at lower rpm too so the manufacturers could piss off their fancy pneumatic valves and slash their engine development costs by more than half.

The reason you dont see many Gary Mckoy antics in Motogp these days is because of advancements in traction control. They litterally have the throttle cracked wide open when on full lean at the apex and the computer takes control of the rest. Try that on your litre bike tracky.

[Azza]

Here's the latest news article....

FIM President Vito Ippolito and Dorna Sports CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta confirm engine capacity changes, which will come into effect for the 2012 season.

Today the Grand Prix Commission members reconvened in Geneva at the FIM headquarters to discuss future developments for the MotoGP World Championship.

Following talks between MotoGP’s governing body the FIM, series rights holder Dorna Sports and the MSMA, the Commission agreed to change the maximum engine capacity of the MotoGP class to 1000cc for the 2012 season. A limit of 4 cylinders will also be introduced, with a maximum cylinder bore measurement of 81 mm.

Mr Ippolito said: “The main changes we have decided on are new rules for the MotoGP class. We will have four cylinder engines, 4-stroke of course, with a 1000cc maximum, and the bore of the cylinders will be 81mm. This base will give all the manufacturers the opportunity to start work. At the beginning of next year we will produce the new rules in a more complete format, but that is the basis; 2012 will be the year of a new era of MotoGP.”

Mr Ezpeleta stated: “It was a very important meeting to decide the future of the MotoGP class. From 2012 the bikes will have an engine capacity of up to 1000cc, have up to four cylinders and the maximum bore will be 81mm. It’s a very important measurement because with this we can have all the characteristics of the engine. This has been approved and between now and the start of the 2010 season we will have another two meetings to define the rest of the specifications for this new class.”

Timeline of engine changes in recent years:

2002 - Introduction of 990cc 4-stroke MotoGP (instead of 2-stroke 500cc).
2007 - Maximum engine capacity reduction from 990cc to 800cc.
2009-2010 – Maximum engine usage (6 engines per rider in 2010).
2012 - Maximum engine capacity increased to 1000cc, with a limit of 4 cylinders and a maximum 81mm cylinder bore.


Several minor technical rules change were also announced for 2010, alongside further regulations related to the new Moto2 class.


http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/F...or+2012+MotoGP

[LAW]

I think the "premier class" whether it's Formula 1, MotoGP or NASCAR :lmao:(i'm sorry, joking obviously) should be renamed "Formula Unlimited", or as pointed out by some collegues recently "Formula Limited slightly less than other forms of motorsport". Basically there are restrictions on engine size and wheelbase, that's it. which seems to be the gist behind the latest press report.

the 250's and 125's have (as long as I've been around) been more of a 'proving ground' than an R&D centre. they're a place where riders can prove themselves in the same team environment as the GP class on relatively similar bikes, those two classes emphasise the rider and team and how they interact allowing properly talented riders to progress and weed out the kids whose team was sponsored by Dad's law firm back in the national titles.

As far as spectator money is concerned, I dont think it'll make a huge difference with the switch to Moto2 as the 'racing' itself should remain evenly matched with emphasis on the rider and the premier class will always be a place for the worlds highest paid test riders to improve our road going machines.

[Linden]

2012 - Maximum engine capacity increased to 1000cc, with a limit of 4 cylinders and a maximum 81mm cylinder bore.

well VR now has a reason to stay until 2012 (need to win at the new rule)

[Naked Twin]

Was it not the manufacturers calling for the changes and not the governing body?

If the manufacturers are asking for it no point blaming the administrators. Since motor racing first began we have sought a level playing field, (different classes with different spec allowances have been in place since the first aussie GP in 1926 I think the year is right). So this is the same argument just being regurgitated.

When we had the 500cc class racing was no closer then today, the 990 was not closer or different then today. Yes there were periods where there was a spike of several riders, but historically throughout all forms of racing the title has nearly always come down to a fight between two competitors in the closing rounds. Two competitors have normally taken the lions share of victories with the rest of the field taking the spoils. Research just about any category and you will see "close racing" is not what we believe it to be.

The two strokes whilst good racing provided little in the way of a proving ground from which a young gun could move up to the top class. Yes plenty had made the jump but how many 250cc racers have stayed in the class until they were kicked out? Two strokes are essentially dead as production bikes. Whilst they will be continued to be made and sold in Europe their popularity is ever decreasing and with the euro emission targets getting harder how is a two stroke meant to make it?

Nick

[Captain]

A little appetiser whilst we wait for 2012 :ayyy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIB-bNbYyRA&feature=player_embedded#

[Captain]

Rumour is they are bringing this forward, and we will see 1000cc bikes next year.

[Mr.Ed]

I reckon that if that really happen Rossi/Stoner/Hayden will be the guys to look out for. At least at the beginning.

[Captain]

You're gonna love this: Following the 'success' of the moto2 class, Dorna is looking at extending the concept to the motoGP bikes too: standardised engine - everyone with the same motor.
Nothing finalised yet, but it's the way Dorna would like to go. As so many here were ovejoyed by the recent moto2 race, this is good news, right? All we care about is close racing, isn't it? :ayyy:

(which motor? they haven't said, but the specs they are thinking about are remarkably close to the BMW S1000RR motor .....)

[Marshy]

the specs they are thinking about are remarkably close to the BMW S1000RR motor .....)

Source?!?!?!?

I'm +1 for the close-racing fraternity, and who cares if it is at the expense of high end development. SBK is a better viewing experience than Moto GP.... And Moto2 has proved itself to be more exciting than the main event as well.

Flame away!

[Captain]

You would seriously welcome all the motGP bikes using the same motor ... so long as the racing is close?

I wouldn't be so sure re SBK either ....

One last thing: whilst Superbike has such strong manufacturer support from Yamaha, Suzuki, Aprilia, Ducati, BMW & Kawasaki and no one thinks there is any problem at all - just scratch the surface and see. After the second BMW team dropped out after just two races there are now only 22 riders on this grid. Now DFX Ducati has pulled out of the flyaway races this is another alarm call.

I'm not going to the toruble of listing my sources any more ... most sources are simply reports of reports of reports anyhow; if you think the story has more credibility because it's on a website with a heading then that's fine, simply ignore my comments.

[Marshy]

You would seriously welcome all the motGP bikes using the same motor ... so long as the racing is close?

I hear what you are saying, yet I can't argue with the fact that at the pub during the last MotoGP race, I chatted in depth with Trev about anything other than bikes, and annoyed the *shit* out of Kris who was trying to watch the racing - I just couldn't get engaged. It was, for want of a better word, boring. OTOH, the Moto2 race kept me on the edge of my seat. Admittedly, it's possible I was just drunk and distracted by the time the MotoGp fronted the grid...

That said, I do very much enjoy F1, and that is similar to MotoGP in that there's very little passing and the best machines win on the day. I don't have a solution, but am happy to share with everyone my uninformed opinion.

[Foghorn]

This does not make any sense!!
If MotoGP moved to control engines it would potentially stop new technology filtering down to road bikes. To me the obvious example would be Yamaha's "Big Bang" engine. Would it mean closer racing - possibly, but ultimately it could be we the consumers that miss out.

The idea of watching it at the pub while chatting to you and annoying Kris at the same time has broad appeal.

[ottospunkmeister]

MotoGP with a control engine?...

Nah, surely not?