Official Rats Trackday Sunday 17th June Eastern Creek

[Bigdog]

Eastern Creek Sunday 17th June

Hi Rats,
Who's keen to do a Trackday on Sunday 17th June at Eastern Creek?
$160 gets you a spot with lunch included.
If your keen, please post a reply here and/or send me a PM with your details: Name, postal address, bike you will be riding and group you want to ride in.
There's no need to send the details if you have ridden with us before and your details haven't changed. You know the drill :)
I hope to see many of you there.:ayyy:

Definites:

All Paid and Booked:

Bigdog (A) PAID
Zee (A) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN 28/07
Kat00 (A) PAID
Dezerteagle (B1) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN28/07
Mono (A) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN 28/07
Falco (B1) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN 28/07
VINNIE (B2) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN28/07
Fullhouse (B2) PAID
Kaine (B2) PAID
Paul (B2) PAID
Rosco (B2) PAID
Juiced-R1 (B1) PAID
Prettyboy (C) PAID
Irena (B2) PAID
Twitcher (B1) PAIDDISCOUNT TAKEN 28/07
Ben Green (B1) PAIDDISCOUNT TAKEN 28/07
Gsx10 (B2) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN[/B] 28/07
mikeyrevs (C) PAID
4AGE (C) PAID
Snoz (A) PAID
Tezza (B2) PAID
GAZMAN (B2) PAID
Vukie (C) PAID
Renesis (C) PAID
Bill Healy (A) PAID
Fezz (C) PAID DISCOUNT TAKEN28/07
loverustler (B2) PAID
Striker (A) PAID

[Zee]

Yeap :ayyy:

[Kat00]

yep

[Dezerteagle]

I am in!

P.S. I didn't see this because it was a sticky and I think that goes the same with other people? 2 days and not many replies hahaha

[Astray]

I'm in. Please put my name down.

Thanks!!

[Falco]

:ayyy:

[Zippa]

Sorry guys, im out, bloddy work....:cursing:

[fullhouse]

i may be in, need to speak with the minister of war and finance

haha gotta see Tracy 1st

[fullhouse]

prolly got me and another 2 guys from work comin...
Kaine
Paul

[VINNIE]

Count me in Biggie :ayyy:

[fullhouse]

fully
Kaine
Paul defs....

darren maybe still

[juiced-r1]

I'll be in for this, for sure.

[fullhouse]

.

[fullhouse]

another def....Rosco

[Prettyboy]

Book me in too...

This is so much better than my fabrege egg addiction

[fullhouse]

when do you want the money buy???


is there room for Rosco + 1?

[dungbeetle]

the qikker ya get the cash in the better fully. they sell out quick now!!!
there should still be room tho as may 26th has just sold out.

[Bigdog]

Yeah Fully there should be plenty of room at this early date however as we have recently found out, they book out fast and I can't make any bookings until your money is in the account.

[Bigdog]

Callings all Rats, There's less than a month to go before this Trackday so if you are thinking about coming it might be a good idea to get in early to guarantee your spot. PM me and/or post in here to let me know.

[juiced-r1]

I'll put the money into the account his arvo. :)

[NdJ]

I'll be there but will be using a trackday gift certificate I got a while back.

N

[juiced-r1]

PAID. PM sent. :ayyy: :cool:

[aussiegixxxr]

ill let you know by the end of the this week
wanan be in 4 this one

[Prettyboy]

Money transferred.

Oh joy, another trackday

[juiced-r1]

Good work Joelster. This should be a beauty. :ninja:

[MatMan]

I'm in :D

PM sent, money shall be transferred on behalf of 'Prettyboy' as I'm somewhat short on cash, and he offered to lend a leathered hand.

Hmmm.

How erotic.

[Prettyboy]

Alright Matty !!!

Its addictive

[Snoz]

Hi All, Hope to be there and meet you guys. Will confirm in the next few days...Snoz

[dungbeetle]

hey snoz, welcome to the site....

[gsx10]

i'm in. but this time i'm gonna give B2 a try. C was getting a little slow yesterday.

[Bigdog]

I will be booking in all the people that have paid on Monday. I've noticed that it says that B1 is filling fast so if you want to get in on this ride then you need to get your $160 into our account asap. I can't make any bookings until it is in our account and all spots are subject to availability by Eastern Creek.
Please remember to use your site username and the trackday date in the reference or anything else that will help us identify your deposit

[MatMan]

Hey guys, sorry to be a pain but despite the fact that I've paid/confirmed, I won't be able to make the track day (though I'll be spectating for sure).
Had a good look over the RGV this weekend and the chain/sprockets are fubar and one of the front forks (which had just started to seep slightly) has started to leak badly and I would be pushing it to get them all done in the few weeks remaining.
Sorry for teh stuff around, if anyone hasn't paid or would like to go for the day they could take my spot and sort out the cash?

[Bigdog]

Hey guys, sorry to be a pain but despite the fact that I've paid/confirmed, I won't be able to make the track day (though I'll be spectating for sure).
Had a good look over the RGV this weekend and the chain/sprockets are fubar and one of the front forks (which had just started to seep slightly) has started to leak badly and I would be pushing it to get them all done in the few weeks remaining.
Sorry for teh stuff around, if anyone hasn't paid or would like to go for the day they could take my spot and sort out the cash?

Spewin' to hear about the bike mate. PM me your bank details and we will return your money.

[mikeyrevs]

The little cbr250 is telling me i should do it. I'm gonna be in for this one aswell, B2 for me this time.

[4AGE]

I'll be paying tomorrow night and joining Joel and Luke on the track, Vuk is enroute also guys and maybe AJ :)

[fullhouse]

welcome

[Mustard]

This sort of thing is exectly why I joined this site, but unfortunately I cannot make this one. Bike is broke, chain and sprockets needed, funds cannot cope this month with a track day too....:(

Hope to see something posted in the second half of July! :mod_smilie_rockwoot

[fullhouse]

Bike is broke, chain and sprockets needed


let me know what ya want mate, i can get it

[4AGE]

welcome

Thank You :)

[Mustard]

let me know what ya want mate, i can get it

Thanks for the offer! PM sent! :ayyy:

[fullhouse]

no probs, pm replyed

[Turtle]

Cant wait till my bike situation is sorted !!!!!!!!!!!!




Turtle

[Vukie]

Hi guys ill be booking in soon, just got to get a mate to register on RATs and we will PM one of the admins for furtehr details

[Snoz]

Hi Folks, Just transfered my payment for the day. Looking forward to going for a spin and meeting you. Regards, Snoz

[4AGE]

I just transfered the dollars :)

Can't wait

[VINNIE]

$$$ transfered

Thanks Biggie :ayyy:

[Renesis]

Hey guys Vukie and i are first timers and want to know if we can join in group C but move up during the day if need be?

[Dezerteagle]

Hey guys Vukie and i are first timers and want to know if we can join in group C but move up during the day if need be?
Yeah AJ, you can :ayyy:

[loverustler]

Hi guys, i'm a new member, count me in for c group
Mark

[Bigdog]

PM's sent.

[4AGE]

Hey Guy's what time does the day start and finish ?

[Bigdog]

I would arrive there around 8 am for a 9 am start and if you do all the sessions you will leave around 4:30 - 5pm.

[dungbeetle]

if there is still a bbq in the morning then get there a little before 8. vinnie was doin the bbq but im not sure if he is still doin it. im sure he will post up here eventually:D

[4AGE]

Thanks Blokes :)

[Bigdog]

Sorry guys EC won't allow us to have a BBQ due to their open flame policy :(

[dungbeetle]

i think vinnie has an electric bbq now, but im not sure if he is bringing it or what his plan is!!

[VINNIE]

i think vinnie has an electric bbq now, but im not sure if he is bringing it or what his plan is!!

You are correct Dungy i have scored a electric BBQ...

....and yes i will have it going this track day.

still at the super special price of $2 :mod_smilie_rockwoot

so be early if you want to be feed :ayyy:

[GAZMAN]

Im in please let me know how to book in

[triumph]

I should be there so if anyone wants a pit bitch for the day let me know

[Bigdog]

PM sent GAZMAN

[Vukie]

Payment made for Vukie and Renesis :)

We are both booked in for Group C please

[Bigdog]

Can the person who deposited $160 into our account with the reference 2264, please PM me to let me know who you are?

[jasonbw]

:) now THATS asking for it Bigdog :)

[fullhouse]

wasnt me ;) but were ready to go

[striker]

Are there still spots for this?

[Bigdog]

Are there still spots for this?


According to their website there are 8 spots left for B1, B2 is filling fast and there are still spots available for A and C grade.

[Bigdog]

Can the person who deposited $160 into our account with the reference 2264, please PM me to let me know who you are?

Mystery solved, it's for another trackday that Kat00's organising.

[mitch]

Dear Big Dog
I will send the money if you send me an account to which I can pay
Hope to see you there
Mitch Miller
(B2 i think)

[Bigdog]

Email sent Mitch.

[fullhouse]

11 days to go

[Bigdog]

All 24 riders who I have marked as paid in the first post have confirmed spots. If anyone else is keen you had better get in quick as spots are drying up fast, especially in B1 group.

[Bigdog]

Latest update from EC Ridedays website is as follows:

A = 8 spots left
B1 = waiting list only
B = 3 spots left
C = filling fast

[fullhouse]

what if it rains?

[Irena]

what if it rains?

Nothing changes really, they will not force you to ride if you don't won't , but they never refund our money if bad weather conditions

[fullhouse]

thats fuged

[Zee]

Nahhhh...you just get to hang out with your mates for $160 :lmao:

[fullhouse]

lmfao

[fullhouse]

i can *just* ride in the dry................let alone the wet

[fullhouse]

8 days to go

im gettin a bit fizzy in the knickers!!! 1st t/d on the TLR

[Irena]

Nahhhh...you just get to hang out with your mates for $160 :lmao:

Ha ha, I'll bring my cam so we can take some pics whilst watching rain :lmao:

[fullhouse]

least we can have races to the lunch shop, see who can get a drink the fastest

[striker]

Just booked in. See you all there.

[fullhouse]

will they rebook you if its rained out????

[dungbeetle]

nah mate. ya lose ya money...it costs them for the track no matter what the weather does
if ya got tread on ya tyres tho ya can have a go!!

[striker]

will they rebook you if its rained out????

You gotta stop worrying about the rain. It's not going to rain.

[dungbeetle]

it never rains on rats trackdays....we proved that today:D

[VINNIE]

Stop saying the fuken "R" word.It's not going to r..r..r..r..r..r..you know what i mean.

Look at today who would have thought you would be riding the track today,when it was pissing down on Friday or Saturday

[Bigdog]

+1 What VINNIE said. You never talk about the R word before a trackday.

[dungbeetle]

bah i do:D
and it works, just look at yesterday:D

[fullhouse]

sooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrry

[Alex.]

Are there any spots left for this trackday?

[jasonbw]

Hooked is right Alex :) good on you !

[SHAMO]

I'll see you guys there. I borrowed a mates trackstar thingo. Haven't done EC for ages.

[fullhouse]

wow theres gonna be a few of us out there!!!

[Marcus]

Man, I so want to come! Mates kids b/day...

[Bigdog]

Are there any spots left for this trackday?

PM sent, B1 and B grade are sold out and there's a few spots left in A and C grade.

[fullhouse]

can you send the acc details again please biggie

[gobig2000]

Is there enough room for two ppl one in C and one in A??
if so me and a mate are in.

[Bigdog]

Just checked the site again and there is only 1 spot left in A grade and a few in C grade.

[jasonbw]

Now thats the RATs spirit gobig2000 !!! :)

[4AGE]

I'm excited, my brother is bleeding the brakes today and I'm buying some more 2T oil, nice and easy to prep the NSR :P

Should be an awesome day :D

[fullhouse]

5 days to go

[Alex.]

PM sent, B1 and B grade are sold out and there's a few spots left in A and C grade.

I'm organising payment shortly.

[DAMIEN MURPHY]

Hi, my name is Damien Murphy from Canberra. I met Zippa from your group last week at Oran Park and he invited me to join you guys on Sunday at Eastern Creek. I have a mate who wants to come also and we would both want to ride in the A group. Can you please advise how i go about it registering through you guys. Cheers, murf

[jasonbw]

Great stuff Damien, also pop into the Intro forum and post there, that way more people will see the post and say Hi. Have fun mate at EC.

[Prettyboy]

Weather is looking 'slightly' off for the day. Though hopefully it'll be fine and 20 odd degrees all day

[fullhouse]

welcome damien

[Bigdog]

Hi, my name is Damien Murphy from Canberra. I met Zippa from your group last week at Oran Park and he invited me to join you guys on Sunday at Eastern Creek. I have a mate who wants to come also and we would both want to ride in the A group. Can you please advise how i go about it registering through you guys. Cheers, murf

Sorry Damien and others but A, B1, & B are booked out with only C grade having a few spots left.

[fullhouse]

1 sleep left!!!

[fullhouse]

already got my shit together too :O

[Dezerteagle]

:mod_smilie_rockwoot Should be good, if it's wet I get to practice getting the rear end out

[Zee]

Not sure if it's worth packing.....
Fuken expensive roll and muffen tomorrow...:lmao: :(

[Kat00]

I`m going to come for a look, I`ll bring the bike just in case :hatter:

[VINNIE]

You are correct Dungy i have scored a electric BBQ...

....and yes i will have it going this track day.

so be early if you want to be feed :ayyy:

Sorry RATs no BBQ in the morning :mad:

[MATTK6]

why no brekky vinnie?

[VINNIE]

Just did not have the time to get my shit together

[MATTK6]

ohhh, dropping the ball mate:lmao:
oh well i wasnt gonna be there in time for it anyway:lmao:

[Snoz]

Hi Rats, Will you all pit in the same garage in the morning...if so which one?
It doesn't look too promising with the weather eh?
I think I'll drag along my trail bike in case it's wet as I don't have wets for my bike. Hopefully we'll get some dry track time, if not, it's a large entry fee to have a chat!
See youse in the morning! Snoz

[Pokey]

Hope tomorrows day goes better than today!!!!!
Track day cancelled due to unsafe conditions, drenched run offs and a bit of mud on the track
Managed to walk the track up to turn 4 though, then packed up and came home

[Zee]

And what's wrong with paying for friend's!!!

[Zee]

Hope tomorrows day goes better than today!!!!!
Track day cancelled due to unsafe conditions, drenched run offs and a bit of mud on the track
Managed to walk the track up to turn 4 though, then packed up and came home

Which track was that Pokey?

[Snoz]

And what's wrong with paying for friend's!!!

:doggy: As long as you're the one "paying" I 'spose it's ok!

[Zee]

:doggy: As long as you're the one "paying" I 'spose it's ok!

Too late now but we'll wait and see tomorrow :ayyy:

[Pokey]

Eastern Creek, but they said we could return on august 12 so no money lost

[VINNIE]

ohhh, dropping the ball mate:lmao:
oh well i wasnt gonna be there in time for it anyway:lmao:

Hope your in time to get your bottle of Jack :drool:


Hi Rats, Will you all pit in the same garage in the morning...if so which one?
It doesn't look too promising with the weather eh?
I think I'll drag along my trail bike in case it's wet as I don't have wets for my bike. Hopefully we'll get some dry track time, if not, it's a large entry fee to have a chat!
See youse in the morning! Snoz

We will be all in the same pits Snoz just look out for all the RATs shirts :ayyy:

[Kat00]

Eastern Creek, but they said we could return on august 12 so no money lost

Read up everyone.

We will need to show up and register, even if its pissin down.

[mikeyrevs]

:mod_smilie_rockwoot Should be good, if it's wet I get to practice getting the rear end out

That was exactly what i was thinking too! Even if it's only a cibby. At least i'll get to test out my wet weather gear tomorrow....:n:

[MATTK6]

you'll be there all day tommorow wont you vinnie?, i cant imagine ou being stopped by abit of bad weather:lmao:

[fullhouse]

well be there rain hail or bike on trailer


if this dont make sence, iv been drinkin lmao

[fullhouse]

see yas morrow

[Snoz]

We will be all in the same pits Snoz just look out for all the RATs shirts :ayyy:[/QUOTE]

See you all tomorrow, rain, hail or shine.....Snoz

[dungbeetle]

well i just got a call from vinnie and its been cancelled...beautiful sunny weather up there but the ambo doesnt wanna go in the mud!!!:O
and to top it off they moved the day to a monday!!! what are they thinking. if ya doin a sunday trackday, how would ya be able to get there on a monday!!! if ya could do monday track days, ya wouldnt be there on a sunday!!! unbelievable!!!

[4AGE]

Yeah it's bad, short notice too :(

I won't be there due to work.

PM if anyone wants to buy my spot, going cheap

[juiced-r1]

I went straight up to the guy at the desk and said: "Lucky I didn't get out of bed too early!" :lmao:

Living 5 mins away FTW. Just a thought, but can't you reschedule and pay a $25 fee if outside 7 days? So all of you guys could reschedule for a sat/sun?

[striker]

I went straight up to the guy at the desk and said: "Lucky I didn't get out of bed too early!" :lmao:

Living 5 mins away FTW. Just a thought, but can't you reschedule and pay a $25 fee if outside 7 days? So all of you guys could reschedule for a sat/sun?

Dunno if they'll let em.

[Kat00]

Why do the guys that were booked in yesterday get to ride on Sunday August 12 and the guys that were booked in for today have to ride on a Monday.
We will need to talk to our friend Mr. Broughy

[Vukie]

Got up this morning and was optimisitc, sucks that the day got binned.

Mondy will be hard to get off so if the RATs crew can talk to the organisers and try get it in on a weekend would be much appreciated, if not ill have o either sell my spot or try to ge teh time off .

[Kat00]

Mondy will be hard to get off so if the RATs crew can talk to the organisers and try get it in on a weekend would be much appreciated,

We will be doing our best and we will keep everyone informed.

[striker]

if not ill have o either sell my spot or try to ge teh time off .

I don't think it'll be that easy to sell the spots. A lot of other people will be trying to do the same thing. And the weekday track days don't book out for a reason.

Hopefully something can be sorted out.

[striker]

Can anyone who lives out there let us know if it rains or not? At least then if it does we can take some consolation in fact that the day would have been stuffed anyway.

[juiced-r1]

Word to Striker, even though he gets freaked out when a burly dude on a R1 comes up to his window and starts waving like an idiot! :lmao:

[striker]

Yeah I figured it out after you rode off. Nice of you to hang around for a chat to. :)

Anyway....off to plan B I guess: :beer:

[lilninja]

damn that sux aye! I can't beleive one ambo crew can hold a whole track day to ransom, I tell ya what Ide be really pissed ifya came all the way from canberra or something!

[lilninja]

sounds like a pretty good plan striker!

[Zee]

I actually agree with Mark Wilson to cancel the day. If you have an off track journey most times you have a chance of saving it but today, the mud would of grabbed ya and spat you off, for sure. What I disagree with is the option he gave us all, which isn't an option at all, it's more of a take it or loose a trackday. Sounds more of an ultimatum :( .

My understanding of their policy is if they call the day off, it is to their discretion to reschedule to an alternative date. Unfortunately this area has been left open to any day they feel like or suits them, not the paying customer....shafted again :( I'm extremely disappointed there was no consultation with the paying customers. I'd be happy even if the alternative date was months away, as long as it was a weekend or even a public holiday.

I can't take another day off, so I'm selling my spot for $120 with lunch included. :(

[Kat00]

I can't take another day off, so I'm selling my spot for $120 with lunch included. :(


Don`t give up that easily Zee.
Its not over yet we will be lobbying on everyones behalf to get the date changed.

[striker]

damn that sux aye! I can't beleive one ambo crew can hold a whole track day to ransom, I tell ya what Ide be really pissed ifya came all the way from canberra or something!

Private amblance companies! :headshake: Imagine if the emergency ones just got to pick and choose what they were going to do based on potential risk.

They'd be able to cancel the World Cup, the Olympics, The Big Day Out and all other music festivals, the commonwealth games, APEC, New Years Eve, etc etc....A world ruled by Ambos!

With regard to todays thing, I say the risk is ours and if we choose to take it then so be it. We're riding bikes at speeds of over 250 kms an hour, but the mud on the side of the track is too dangerous???

[4AGE]

thanks for your efforts guys, I hope we can get a weekend, I'll put my sale on hold for now and be hopeful :D

[Zee]

Don`t give up that easily Zee.
Its not over yet we will be lobbying on everyones behalf to get the date changed.

If ya need numbers of persuasion....I'll give you a hand :ayyy:

[Bigdog]

Like Mick said hang in there guys we will be talking to EC further about this on Monday.

[fullhouse]

was def a bummer!!!

[Marcus]

Yesterdays track day got reshedualed to the 12th of august...a saturday

[Prettyboy]

I did a quick track walk with a few other guys. It would have been a messy messy time if a corner was overshot. The mud was like ice in some places, I was slipping even when putting down a foot. If anyone shot off at turn 2 entry, they would have felt what it was like to fly. About 1.5m off the track there was a ditch about 250mm deep. Not nice, not to mention the mud that is a bitch to get out of leathers.

Got home and went straight back to my warm warm bed.

Bring on the 2nd, or whenever it was.:)

[VINNIE]

Spent the day watching The Long Way Round,how i would love to ride around the world like that.

Would have been better riding today but what can you do.

Thanks for going into bat for us Kat00 :ayyy:

[striker]

Damn I didn't even think to do a track walk. At least that would have been a bit productive. Instead I spent the day watching crap on television.

Anyway it sounds like the cancellation was for the best. Did it end up raining out there?

[VINNIE]

About 10 min's worth around midday

[Prettyboy]

So who's riding the 2nd, most of may mates have work commitments ?

[fullhouse]

dont think we can make it

[VINNIE]

Find out tomorrow,have to ask boss for time off :(

[Kat00's Boss]

Find out tomorrow,have to ask boss for time off :(
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[dungbeetle]

just hang out guys for a few days before ya ask for time off or try to sell ya spot...kat00 can be pretty persuasive when he needs to be!!!:p

[VINNIE]

Even better i also have to ask for the next Monday for CB's race school.....:headshake:

[Prettyboy]

just hang out guys for a few days before ya ask for time off or try to sell ya spot...kat00 can be pretty persuasive when he needs to be!!!:p

Keep us informed then.

[dungbeetle]

everyone here will be the second to know...after kat00!!:D

[Prettyboy]

Third including yourself... :)

[Dezerteagle]

Even better i also have to ask for the next Monday for CB's race school.....:headshake:
This is the reason why I can't do the 2nd.

I am already taking a day off for Race School!

[juiced-r1]

At the time I was cool with the Monday. Then I thought:

1. I just started at a new job

2. Why the hell should we have to settle with a weekday? It wasn't our decision not to ride. Purchasing something is a contract. If the providers cancel the day, legally they are required to provide a refund or a suitable exchange, since they are the party breaching the contract. I am of course arguing that a Monday is not suitable. Therefore, at the very least, all those affected should be offered a credit for any future date of the rider's preference.

Are there any other lawyers on here? Especially practicing solicitors?

[Zee]

Ahh you see, that's why they place terms and condition clauses in their sale.
Comes down to contract law in Offer and Acceptance.
They have made you an offer : buy a trackday for X amount with conditions attached.
You have accepted by purchasing the offer.
So what this means is: whatever is in that offer you have bought and they are obligated to provide.
Have a read of their Terms & Conditions in buying a ride day from them and you will learn that they are only doing what they've offered you.
So, in contract law, I believe we don't have a leg to stand on. But what we can do is negotiate a compromise. Basically, the amount of riders Rats bring to a ride is in affect one solid group (+30 participants) I believe that would pay there cost for the day, the rest of the group participants would be profit, or there abouts. That's a guaranteed day for them. Perhaps we could offer them some uncertainty. :confused1:

[Zee]

Just another thought.
What would the ACCC say about monopolised operated. :)

[jasonbw]

Remind me never to cross you Juiced or Zee :) :)

Good on you Kat00 for taking this up.

[juiced-r1]

Ahh you see, that's why they place terms and condition clauses in their sale.
Comes down to contract law in Offer and Acceptance.
They have made you an offer : buy a trackday for X amount with conditions attached.
You have accepted by purchasing the offer.
So what this means is: whatever is in that offer you have bought and they are obligated to provide.
Have a read of their Terms & Conditions in buying a ride day from them and you will learn that they are only doing what they've offered you.
So, in contract law, I believe we don't have a leg to stand on. But what we can do is negotiate a compromise. Basically, the amount of riders Rats bring to a ride is in affect one solid group (+30 participants) I believe that would pay there cost for the day, the rest of the group participants would be profit, or there abouts. That's a guaranteed day for them. Perhaps we could offer them some uncertainty. :confused1:


What I was thinking is that, generally, non-lawyers get frightened when we law-talking-guys bring up contract. I can't remember if you have to read the TAC before you buy a ride day through them. If not, it'd be the old Shoe Lane Parking argument re: TAC being provided once it's too late - the purchase has already been made.

Either way, the value of goodwill that attaches to treating your customers right ought to dictate some sort of compromise from their end.

Re: ACCC, I'll refer it to them if you'd like! :lmao: But if it was put out to tender correctly, there shouldn't be a problem. Also, it's not a market monopoly, it's a one-track monopoly.

[Zee]

My understanding is TAC is ahead of their bookings selections in the main menu.
Ignorance is not a defence.

[juiced-r1]

But we're not defending anything! lol

I know what you're saying. And I agree. All I'm saying is, if they wanted to get technical, the terms and conditions need to be brought to your attention, and ought not to be implicit. I'll have a look at the site later. If it is as you've said, and you need to go through the TAC BEFORE you can book, then we better hope they are nice to us and reschedule out of goodwill. :lmao:

[Zee]

What I meant was we can't argue we were misinformed about TAC...it's all there, well at least it was when I read it.

[juiced-r1]

Cool. We're on the same page then. Damn internet miscommunication!

Hopefully this is easily resolved. EC Ridedays are normally very professional (as far as I am aware).

[juiced-r1]

Any word yet?

I don't fancy telling my boss anything until I know what the G.O. is. No need to get shouted at unnecessarily! :ayyy:

[VINNIE]

I asked my boss today...........at first i got a NO..........then i'll think about it........then he asked what for?

So i say,to go ride my bike at EC.........stupid,stupid,stupid..:headshake:

End story...he'll get back to me......so i think it will be 80% on NO and 20% on YES..taking bets:D

[MATTK6]

i'll put a 5er down on yes, judging on past situations, remember PI:lmao:

[dungbeetle]

should know by the end of the week guys...be patient:p

[Snoz]

Hi guys, I've just been to the booking site....you need to accept the TAC before you can proceed to book a ride day.

The following covers what happened on Sunday from thier terms page
"Regardless of the reason including weather conditions, work requirements, motorcycle problems, family crisis, heath problems etc. There are no refunds or reschedules (either in part or in full) to another day."

While I don't necessarily agree with being offered a Monday replacement, it sure beats what could have occured when they cancelled. I would have been alot more concerned if they had ruled that the day was off and that was it!

Hope to see as many of you on Monday the 2nd as I was really looking forward to the ride and also meeting some like minded people.

Cheers, Snoz

[juiced-r1]

I'm going to shut up from now, becuase I'm sure people are getting frustrated and bored, but think about it another way:

You give someone $5K for a car and you don't get the car, because they say so.

Still acceptable?

[Dezerteagle]

Man that's a totally left field example.

[Vukie]

i think everyone is happy we got a re-schudule and not just get shafted coz as i seems they could have if they wanted to.

If it ends up being on the monday then so be it. Ill still be attending

[Irena]

i think everyone is happy we got a re-schudule and not just get shafted coz as i seems they could have if they wanted to.

If it ends up being on the monday then so be it. Ill still be attending

Thats so true, and beside, look at the bright side here,
There won't be many ppl :ayyy:

weekdays are the best if you can get time off :ayyy:

[holdontight]

I'm going to shut up from now, becuase I'm sure people are getting frustrated and bored, but think about it another way:

You give someone $5K for a car and you don't get the car, because they say so.

Still acceptable?
There not saying no you can't have the car there saying you can't have the car today its not safe you can have it tomorrow when its safe.

[Kat00]

Just got home, no news though. Steve Brougghy does read his emails and he always responds to them. I`d say we will know the go tomorrow.

[Prettyboy]

Weekdays = less traffic

Luke, just do it (tm, Nike). Vuks and I are riding...

[juiced-r1]

Don't want to risk this job. This is the first job I've ever liked in my entire life.

As for the poster above, I can't collect the car on that day, and that is the only day that I may collect the car without forfeiture or paying for it again. It is essentially the same thing, but one is tangible property, the other is not.

[Zee]

If we're gonna kid ourselves for accepting a week day because there is less traffic, why didn't you book a weekday to begin with??? They're only $9 more than the discounted Rats weekend rate, so I doubt it's a monetary reason why you booked on Sunday.

While I was at the track on Sunday, I didn't hear the majority expressing gratitude for a week day. There was a hand full of people that accepted there terms because it didn't affect their plans. However if it did, I'm sure they wouldn't of been so accepting.

As for me, the weekday is totally unacceptable, period. No negotiation will be entered into. As far as I'm concerned I've blown my money with their terms.

Here's a thought. What if we (who wanted to) paid an extra fee for cancelled trackday that the officials together with the consultation of the riders, called. Think of it as an insurance policy against cancelled trackdays. We would of course retain the right to choose a date which had available positions. Of course you would be required to pay this fee upon your booking. I'd be willing to pay an additional amount of say $20 on top of the booking fee and therefore hedging me against cancelled trackdays. Of course the Terms and Conditions would have to be nutted out and an appropriate fee amount quantified.

Like I said, just a thought. Crucify at will.

[4AGE]

If we're gonna kid ourselves for accepting a week day because there is less traffic, why didn't you book a weekday to begin with??? They're only $9 more than the discounted Rats weekend rate, so I doubt it's a monetary reason why you booked on Sunday.

Exactly we paid for a weekend and hopefully we get one :)

[Dezerteagle]

This is FARKED!!! I am also booked to go to the track on Saturday and have paid up.

I missed my trackday on Sunday and now it's raining again today with heavy showers predicted later in the week, so it's maintaining that water level in the run off areas of the track.

$320 GONE!!!! DOWN THE DRAIN!!!! HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT!!!!

NOT F*$^IN HAPPY!!!

:cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

:BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

[juiced-r1]

We need to get some sort of consultative approach happening.

I had planned to do a track day about 18-20 times per year. I also planned to book them way in advance as I did with this one. I'm sure that many of you have a similar plan. But now I am definitely a bit "gun shy" about the whole thing.

So we need to sit down with ECRD and CB and work out some sort of strategy or procedure that is FIXED for when something like the weekend's cancellation occurs.

I am more than happy to put my hand up to help out.

[dallas]

see your point Juiced, but look at it from their point of view...

EC is booked for 2 Trackdays in the coming 2 months, on a w/end. That's the only time they can get / hire the track.

weekend 1 is rained out, and rescheduled. Weekend 2 is booked out, so can't put you in that day (unless they bump someone from that day out... would you like it if it was you that was bumped out??)...

sure he could postpone it for the next available weekend, but when?

yep, completely understand that a w/day is not practical for some, but at least it's better than a wasted day with no refund. at least you could sell your spot, loose $50 or so and that's it...better than "sorry, no refunds" and lose $160. I know which i'd rather...

of course, your other option if you don't like the way they run thier days, is to wait to the weather is good, then book / turn up on the day... pay the higher fee (IF you can get a spot!) and go that way... or of course, just not book with them at all.... :confused1:

basically, eitehr way your :2191: ,...

don't agree with them, but just playing the devils advocate.


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[Dezerteagle]

Yeah I'm not angry at SBS or ECRD, I'm just venting anger at the weather lol

[dallas]

yeap, hear ya mate... nothin worse than rocking up to a wet track, with only slicks... watching ya $$$ drain away with the rain..


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[jasonbw]

very well said Dallas!
P.s. remember if your wollongong based you can bring your rims to my place the night before and we can swap over to road or wet tyres?

[dallas]

ya mate, thanks for that... hopefully an offer i wont have to take you up on, but one i will remember!. ;-)


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[Zee]

Sorry Dallas but I can't see how this affects them.

Say the postponed date is their final answer. It has already been made aware to me by the majority of participants at the track on Sunday that the date is unworkable. What this creates for the organiser is a fully paid trackday (which 3/4 of riders have paid full fee $199). My prediction is less than 1/2 will show up for this weekday date. Some will take sickies/annual/unpaid leave and some will have sold their position, remembering not all riders showed up on Sunday to have their names marked off and are not eligible to attend the postponement, but not all will attend. So now the organiser has an opportunity (with halve the field in attendance) can resell the other halves positions in affect double dip. Why wouldn't they?? There's nothing stopping them from doing so. Let me put it another way. Why that date?? Why not a weekend?? It's what we've paid for. If they were genuine in their concerns and morally ethical we wouldn't be having this discussion now. We'd be applauding it.

[_chado77]

bring back the wet weather policy's of old..

or

how bout the ppl buying the spots, stop looking at profiteering from a mates misfortune and pay cost price.. because im sure the last weekday track day cost riders $160..

[dallas]

Zee, your dead right mate…. In principal…. But here is the catch my lowly honda riding friend… it's written in the TAC of the trackday agreement that you paid for and agreed to. Unfortunate yes. That's where the buck stops legally. Sure the RATs guys can 'discuss' with ECRDs to a solution which may end up on a weekend, but in reality, ECRD do not have to move on their decision, as all track day participants have already agreed to those TAC's… good business may suggest otherwise, but legally they are doing what they have promised to you when you agreed to ride on the original date.

As for them 'double dipping' and the like… sure, some participatants did not get their names signed off, so are not eligible for the rescheduled date. Those spots I'd say he'd sell again. Money for jam, and as a business man, entitled to fill his resecheduled trackday.

But ECRDs would have to be plain stoopid (not to meniton breaking the law) to double sell the resechuled spots, for fear of most people turnnig up. Whilst they may believe not all will show and can tolerate some overlap, the consequences of

The way he'd be 'double dipping' is by 'unofficially' selling those spots to people who volounteer at other trackdays, like the bloke in the lunchroom, flaggies, etc, etc. give them serious tracktime during this day, too allow him to sell their 'payment' spots to someone else on future days….

Chaddo - what were the wet weather policies of old?


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[kellz]

but is he double dipping?? he would of had to pay for teh track and teh ambos to turn up.. and he will have to do this again for the rescheduled day..

just because the track wasnt used doesnt mean he didnt have to pay fees and that to EC.. so just think of that aswell

[dungbeetle]

ya used to get a refund or another spot....not no more tho..they dont need to, no competition!!!
anyway its only tues....awaiting a reply from the powers that be!!!

[fullhouse]

if we can get another sunday were back in

[Naked Twin]

What date has it been rescheduled to?

Depending on the day I might be prepared to buy someones spot at the price of a weekday date.

Not trying to rip someone off only pay what I would normally.

PM me

Nicolas

[Prettyboy]

Plenty for sale in the sale section Nic

[Zee]

Okay my fury duck riding friend, have a think about this than.
How many riders do you think book on a weekend trackday??
My calculated guess, between 120-140 participants. That's 4 groups at 30-35riders in each group. Now, my guess is 75% pay the retail rate of $199 and the other (Rats) pay $160. Which equates to $26,495 gross for a single trackday.
What do you think their costs are??
Staff. How many, including behind the scenes??
Insurances both for staff and indemnity??
Track hire fee??
Emergency services??
Food and refreshments??
Taxes??
I have no idea of their cost. It surely isn't cheap but would it be fair to say that it would be half of their gross sales.
So, if it costs them $13,000 to stage the event, what happens to the other $13,000.
Ask yourself this; Is it fair for an organisation to profiteer at other peoples misfortune??
Don't misunderstand what I'm leading to. I'm not asking them to bare the brunt of the loss of the day but accepting a profit is morally and ethically wrong.

And Kellz. They were well aware the day was gonna be canned even before they got there.....the water wasn't mysteriously going to disappear in the run off areas, because they canned the days before trackday. So maybe paid a cancellation fee, but definitely not the full rate.

[dallas]

Okay my fury duck riding friend, have a think about this than.
How many riders do you think book on a weekend trackday??
My calculated guess, between 120-140 participants. That's 4 groups at 30-35riders in each group. Now, my guess is 75% pay the retail rate of $199 and the other (Rats) pay $160. Which equates to $26,495 gross for a single trackday.
What do you think their costs are??
Staff. How many, including behind the scenes??
Insurances both for staff and indemnity??
Track hire fee??
Emergency services??
Food and refreshments??
Taxes??
I have no idea of their cost. It surely isn't cheap but would it be fair to say that it would be half of their gross sales.
So, if it costs them $13,000 to stage the event, what happens to the other $13,000.
Ask yourself this; Is it fair for an organisation to profiteer at other peoples misfortune??
Don't misunderstand what I'm leading to. I'm not asking them to bare the brunt of the loss of the day but accepting a profit is morally and ethically wrong.



Yep Honda Horv… agree with you in principal. I'd suspect though, that when you actaully look into it further, I'd dare say he's not making $13k profit, (but still a nice chunk though)… don't forget that around the trackday he needs to keep an office / secretary going, business expenses, organising crap etc… that all bites into the revenue claimed from the trackdays…but still money for jam though.. just realised I'm going into bat for ECRD's… bugger. Will stop that… but you get the idea I'm trying to make…

But like I said to you before, doesn't matter what is happening, he's doing it LEGALLY and OPENLY as those riders CHOOSE to accept the TAC of their trackday when they booked for the 17th…. It's not as if he didn't deliver what was originally agreed in the contract. It was just worded so, and outlined that he could legally pick any replacement date… and yep, w/days are prob more available and cheaper.

Morals and ethics aside, as we have no control over their business approach…. (we all know how ECRD's approach trackdays vs circuit breakers and the stark differences between the two… look at OP on the 11th, with Spence spotting pizza's for all… when was that at ECRD?) … the only thing we can fire up on is the legalities of it all..

Is it wrong to porfit from other peoples misfortune? Ok, here's a curly one for ya… Do you have the same view on IVF ? Do you have any idea on the cost of IVF for those that can't conceive naturally, and the profits those clinics make? Is that morally / ethically wrong?

I know It sucks, but it's the law. Over the last year or so, I've specified and brought around $900k worth of equipment / pipeline for the project I'm working on (ok, I've spent THEIR money, but you get the idea!), and am currently writing a specificiation for prob over $1M worth of valves alone!..... Only then do you truly understand the power of a contract and what is written in a specification, and how they MUST abide by the TAC agreed upon… sometimes you can beat them over the head with the TAC… other times you get whipped….

If you sign something with TAC on it, make sure you totally understand them, and are willing to accept every possibly outcome from them…otherwise, don't sign it and find alternative services.

I guess It's nice to be having this discussion about how the rescheduled date sucks big time…. But imagine the discussion we'd have if the day was cancelled and no replacement offered?


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[Zee]

Yep Honda Horv… agree with you in principal. I'd suspect though, that when you actaully look into it further, I'd dare say he's not making $13k profit, (but still a nice chunk though)… don't forget that around the trackday he needs to keep an office / secretary going, business expenses, organising crap etc… that all bites into the revenue claimed from the trackdays…but still money for jam though.. just realised I'm going into bat for ECRD's… bugger. Will stop that… but you get the idea I'm trying to make…

Mentioned earlier: Staff. How many, including behind the scenes.
I wonder which side of the fence you would be on if it had of negatively affected you.


But like I said to you before, doesn't matter what is happening, he's doing it LEGALLY and OPENLY as those riders CHOOSE to accept the TAC of their trackday when they booked for the 17th…. It's not as if he didn't deliver what was originally agreed in the contract. It was just worded so, and outlined that he could legally pick any replacement date… and yep, w/days are prob more available and cheaper.

I'm not disputing TAC. I'm merely trying to fire people up to criticize their TAC in a hope for them maybe to feel some pressure and amend it (lobbying)


Morals and ethics aside, as we have no control over their business approach…. (we all know how ECRD's approach trackdays vs circuit breakers and the stark differences between the two… look at OP on the 11th, with Spence spotting pizza's for all… when was that at ECRD?) … the only thing we can fire up on is the legalities of it all.. .

Spence definitely goes out of his way (not just the pizza) but ask yourself this. When has ECRD asked you, Did you enjoy your day?? Me, never, even with a dozen trackdays there. Not even when I approach them in changing groups. They'll probably send out a questionnaire now.


Is it wrong to porfit from other peoples misfortune? Ok, here's a curly one for ya… Do you have the same view on IVF ? Do you have any idea on the cost of IVF for those that can't conceive naturally, and the profits those clinics make? Is that morally / ethically wrong?

Lost me here duck buddy. Dunno what making babies has to do with a trackday but here's another example, this is a beauty. Newcastle floods 2 weeks back. Towies were charging $300 (cash only on the spot) to have the victims car remove form the water. Probably a 20m tow to higher ground. Now that's profiteering at someones misfortune. What was the towies cost in retrieving the vehicle?? Returning to the IVF comparison you gave. Aren't those couples choosing to go down that path??


If you sign something with TAC on it, make sure you totally understand them, and are willing to accept every possibly outcome from them…otherwise, don't sign it and find alternative services.

Again, I'm not disputing TAC. I'm merely trying to fire people up to criticize their TAC in a hope for them maybe to feel some pressure and amend it.


I guess It's nice to be having this discussion about how the rescheduled date sucks big time…. But imagine the discussion we'd have if the day was cancelled and no replacement offered?

Don't go there D.....RIOTS

[Vukie]

I Have another spanner to throw into the works here.....

I just called ECRD to conrifm my leather hire for the monday and asked what ius happening with the track day. Guy on the phone said the monday is what was given to them by EC, ECRD had no input into what day they would get.

Anyway he said they are talking about it with EC today and will have a decision made by this afternoon. Looks like ECRD are trying to get us a better deal so hopefull something comes of this :)

[Prettyboy]

Damn, and I just had my leave approved for the Monday.

Wait and see I suppose

[fullhouse]

I Have another spanner to throw into the works here.....

I just called ECRD to conrifm my leather hire for the monday and asked what ius happening with the track day. Guy on the phone said the monday is what was given to them by EC, ECRD had no input into what day they would get.

Anyway he said they are talking about it with EC today and will have a decision made by this afternoon. Looks like ECRD are trying to get us a better deal so hopefull something comes of this :)


so we could still get another sunday?

[juiced-r1]

OK. Due to my promotion I now have a CONFERENCE from Monday July 2 for the entire week! :cursing:

So I am now absolutely no chance of making ANY WEEK DAY that week. :(

[_chado77]

Is it wrong to porfit from other peoples misfortune? Ok, here's a curly one for ya… Do you have the same view on IVF ? Do you have any idea on the cost of IVF for those that can't conceive naturally, and the profits those clinics make? Is that morally / ethically wrong?

I
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in the business world of course not.. as to rest of post business is business.

but it is wrong to profiteer from say 'Zee' who we all know and associate with...

IMO.. pay cost price.. dont seagull(scab) from mates .. either way you are going to get a half empty track day still at a group buy price :ayyy:


but by sounds of it ECRD a going into bat anyway so it could be a favourable outcome for all

[fullhouse]

when will we know a result though??

[dallas]

Lost me here duck buddy. Dunno what making babies has to do with a trackday but here's another example, this is a beauty. Newcastle floods 2 weeks back. Towies were charging $300 (cash only on the spot) to have the victims car remove form the water. Probably a 20m tow to higher ground. Now that's profiteering at someones misfortune. What was the towies cost in retrieving the vehicle?? Returning to the IVF comparison you gave. Aren't those couples choosing to go down that path??

Same thing as YOUR choosing to do the trackday mate. You don't have to. Ride on the street, your own track, or your own organising of a TD, and problem solved. Couples choose to do IVF (like you choose to ride at the track) because they WANT a baby (like you want to go nuts on a track), so another company (IVF Clinics / ECRD) supplies this service at a lovely inflated cost and the associated conditions. I chose that example as it's heavily laced with moral and ethical issues.. Think about it further… it’s a very curley annalogy. Oh, and on your towies exampe, I agree, it's morally wrong, but it's the age old example of 'supply and demand'…



Mentioned earlier: Staff. How many, including behind the scenes.
I wonder which side of the fence you would be on if it had of negatively affected you.

C'mon Zee, that's a tough call to make. Mate, don't get me wrong. I symphasise with ya's, and those that struggle to get time off mid-week. I think its pretty wrong that the week end is now a mid week, but this doesn't surprise me as its plainly written on the back of the forms you sign and I was aware of it after my first track day… no big surprise, so no big 'fire up' on it from me… don't take my posts as a 'suck shit' or 'tough luck' attitude. I'm just picking my battles, and this isn't one of them, as the odds of winning are stacked against us. I was just trying to express my views on this so you guys understand what your up for if you keep chasing it…


I'm not disputing TAC. I'm merely trying to fire people up to criticize their TAC in a hope for them maybe to feel some pressure and amend it (lobbying)

Yesss… now we're getting somewhere. THIS is what the issue is about. Fire up all you like, post all you like, but realise it's going to likely effect future trackdays, and this one is probably a lost cause UNLESS ECRD chooses to change it… but as they are not legally required to, I doubt it will (if they can at all?). In reality though, their TAC are the rules of their game, and sure, try to get the rules changed, but that's a tough battle to fight. Alternatively, accept the rules and enjoy the game, OR as I said before, don't play the game at all.



but it is wrong to profiteer from say 'Zee' who we all know and associate with…
Who's profiteering from Zee or the others? No-where did I see anyone demand them sell their spots at reduced prices. It's up to them to choose to drop the price for a quick sale, else risking loosing it all. Don't try to twist this so the buyers become the bad guys… the sellers are smart and know reality. Let the others sell them for full price, but you and I know that some (most) will be left unsold, loosing the lot.. WHY? because the Monday doesn't or may not suit others who can take mid week off… hence there needs to be an incentive for them to do THAT particular Monday.. And $$$ talks to most people, and the loss in $$ is akin to an 'insurance' of a quick sale, locking in part of their costs. Ahh economics… (I know you love it too!)


Just realised why I don't fire up on forums much.. All this quoting / typing hurts my head…. I guess of course, I could always type with my fingers instead… :confused1:


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[fullhouse]

still hasnt answered my question lmao, still a maybe on a sunday?

[Kat00]

We have an answer from Steve Brougghy.
We believe this is a fairly good comprimise.
We think everyone should be fairly happy.
We will post the details up tonight.