Track day (DOT) tyre that wont cold tear on the street

[Marcus]

Hi Guys,

This is probably one of the many more tyre posts, so I apologize in advance.

I currently have pilot powers which were recently fitted to my K6 1K. Loads better then the stock tyres!

I had these fitted as a mate suggested them, then 2 weeks after they were fitted he commented on how much I have improved in such little time. Then suggests that I should start thinking about racetechs... :wtf1: I just paid $450 for PP's!:BangHead:

Im not claiming that I have used all of the available grip from the pilot powers and I know my technique/speed will improve. I haven't quite gotten to the edge of the front tyre yet, I have about 4mm to go and am starting to rub the little Michelin man on the front. I have not done a track day yet but once I do I know he wont be there too long.

His comments on changing to sticky rubber were logical, and one of the reasons I was going to go for them straight up- If I need to make an aggressive maneuver while cranked over, the tyres will give me the
confidence and will do it without fuss. Not because I can "use them to their full potential". I am still new to riding and have a heap to learn!

Basically, my street riding is the old road, putty etc. The ride there and any commuting is, well ridden at/near the speed limit as I cant afford to get pulled over. I really dont wheelie etc, if I do they are pathetic power or bouncing (doesnt work too good with a slipper). Im not really a fan of doing them and would have bought a motard if I was. Wet weather is not a major concern but would be an advantage.

My concern with DOT track/road tyres is of cold tearing and getting temp into them on the road to make them worth while. Most of these tyres below are designed for track days running quite hot, which you never get to on the street even pushing hard. I also plan to do track days once a month, time permitting.

Basically I have the following short listed, if I have missed a type of tyre please let me know.

Metzeler racetech's (suggested by 2 of my mates) Not sure on K0 or K1 or combo's

Super Corsa pro's SC, kat00 says he's getting good life and grip and has done 4 track days on his set (unless I have the wrong type listed)
http://nswroadandtrackbikes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16466&postcount=50

BT-002 Street $470 from Craig white. (anyone tried them on both street and track?)
http://www.nswroadandtrackbikes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18358&postcount=59

These 2 I have heard they are designed for race with 10+ laps which means they take a bit to warm up. I fear that by the time you do 4 laps, they have come up really nice but the sessions over
- BT-002 pro type 4 $474 from Michael or whitey (was told that these will cold tear)
- Pilot Race (not sure on compounds)

I have also heard that running the softest compounds, while they come up to temp quicker, on rough roads (old road) they can chew out

Feel free to reply with a hook up as well!

[pan]

002's!!! Love them!
Just got them a week ago off Whitey. Great stuff! Took less than 2 laps to warm up at EC. Reeeeeally sticky. Not sure how long they'll last on the road though. Craig said I should get 10,000kms out of the front maybe 3000 from the back (for a Busa)!!! :confused1:

[Bigdog]

Personally, I would stick with the Pilot Powers or Metzeler M3's. They are designed for spirited sport riding and are more than good enough for the street. The problem with DOT race tyres is lack of grip if you get caught out in the rain and cold tearing as you don't heat them up anywhere near like you do on the track. Many people have used Pilot Powers and M3's on the track, (myself included) as they have heaps of grip, so my suggestion is to stick with them.

[ST Kurt]

I've got to agree with Big Dog...

[jasonbw]

Not to mention the fact these DOT race tyres are really designed for supersport racing.. where they use the tyre once... one heat cycle...

You use DOT race tyres on the road and think they're designed for 1000 heat cycles and your in for a bad suprise.

Tyres are designed for very specific applications, pick the one that suits your application.

[Marcus]

Thanks guys!

Even the BT002 street? Some of the guys in the states are starting to use them but no one has gotten an idea of what they are like in the wet or mileage.

[jasonbw]

Craig White would be a good guy to ask? No idea myself...all I could suggest is to pop onto bridgestones site and see iff theres street info about it ?

[Zee]

I know member's on this site that have ran under 1.50's at EC on Std PP's
I'm do'in 1.52's on Dunlop Qualies.
Gardner does 1.38's on a Std Blade with road tyres.
I'd be sticking to road tyres since you've never been to a track day before and just start off slow. Nothing wrong with that and no one will laugh at ya :ayyy: It's when you start talking yourself up and fuk up you look like a dick.....believe me, no one wants that.
Also, any sudden inputs to a motorcycle while bank right over is asking for trouble...on any tyre.

[zRoYz]

You have a K6 1000 & as you stated your skill level is nowhere near what the bike can do. If you use a 002 etc on the road expect really bad mileage & the extra heat cycles can down grade grip bellow a normal road tyre as tyre wears.

I would stay with PP which is what I use on my road bike & when I have used them on the track haven't had a problem. As your skill level increases change to the PP 2CT which has really sticky edges & I have only herd good things about (I'm trying a set next road bike change).

The main thing with tyres is your budget, if you can afford tyres every odd 3000kms go the super sticky stuff, but I use a PP as stated & only get 4000kms odd out of a rear on my road bike, but I do like corners.

If you fit say a 002 & you like the Old Road which has a surface that rips tyres when using the throttle, expect 2000-3000kms max mileage, if your PP isn't balling up your not even near it's grip level & then some better suspension settings can fix that & you can go quicker again, unless your sideways every corner you could drop down your grip level & save. The profile of the tyre is what has improved your riding & there might be a tyre with a profile that suits you even better, but we are not racers & not looking for every 10th sec & have sponsers to pay for tyres so we have to find something we are happy with & stick with it, because the known factor out weighs the unknown.

Ask Jace about the Old Road & M1's (these have been replaced with something else but think would be same) he complained he always wears a front before rear (TLR tend to do that) & his rear M1 had next to no wear. He folowed me for 2 laps & his M1 was 2/3rds gone, my rear PP didn't look much different.

[lilninja]

I have got super corsa's on my 675 have got about 5000km so far with 2 track days, they are well and truly grippy enough but a little soft for street, they are designed for the track day punter who rides in the road aswell! As im sure I haven't gotten near the mileage out of them that I need to get to make riding affordable I think I im going to go for Pilot powers or M3's next set, Unfortunately this means changing my front at the same time way earlier than necessary! :BangHead:

[Marcus]

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I'd be sticking to road tyres since you've never been to a track day before and just start off slow. Nothing wrong with that and no one will laugh at ya :ayyy: It's when you start talking yourself up and fuk up you look like a dick.....believe me, no one wants that.
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Yeah im not into the whole talking it up, who gives a shit! I only want to have fun. At the moment, chasing times isnt it. Crashing doesnt look like fun :hatter:

I got a bit carried away with that in cars over the past few years (not the crashing bit) and it gets pretty expensive... Especially on Tyres, Type R compounds are $400 each and dont last that long, even when filled with nitrogen. A pain in the ass in itself as I didnt have a bottle, if a mate didnt come, I was screwed! I have changed back to a road tyre, while its slower and about the same price, they last a lot longer. And they are much quieter!

Roy, Yeah I have every intention to stay with the pilot power for the time being. I have heard mixed reports on the 2CT, the main one being no feedback from the front! Not sure how true this is...

My tyres are balling up a bit, but not like they would be on the track.

For the past 2 weeks, I have gone up with noobs as im not working on speed. Mainly visual and corner entry..

2/3rds gone after 2 laps of OR, thats pretty full on! I think most people get a few track days out of a set.

[Turtle]

G'day Marcus, from my experience, most of the Guys including myself use the Racetecs and do most of our riding up 'The Old ROAD' (WHICH EATS TYRES) A lot of them have k5/ k6 Gixxers. Some of us used to use SuperCorsas but found milage was really Low. Racetecs in my opinion give the same grip as SuperCorsas but give you twice the k's, which is really weird but true, but forget about using either of them in the wet !!!!!!!

Just my 2c......

[Zee]

2/3rds gone after 2 laps of OR, thats pretty full on! I think most people get a few track days out of a set.

:wtf1: :confused1: You checked you suspension setting as in correct sag and rebound rate.
Get normally 5 track days out of a rear and almost double that out of a front.
That's about 800 to 1000k's from the rear alone.

[_chado77]

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Get normally 5 track days out of a rear and almost double that out of a front.
That's about 800 to 1000k's from the rear alone.

fuck me.. i wish.. done the third on slicks and they are gettin low enough to buy another set and ttake to EC just in case.. let alone road tyres.. i only got 2 days outta rear on pilots fronts 4 ish