Power Commanders/Custom maps

[Turtle]

Hey Boys and Girls, this morning i spoke to Trevor from Doin' Bikes, I told him about this forum and all the TOPS members within it, later tonight he said he will join us as a NEW RATS member. The best thing to come out of it was Trevor agreeing to do SPECIAL prices on POWER COMMANDERS, DYNO WORK, EXHAUSTS, DNA FILTERS and other performance bits for RATS members, so look out for him and make him welcome when he joins us.

Turtle (Ray):mod_smilie_rockwoot

[jasonbw]

YEAH BABY... I'd trust Trev, he's been on 1000RR.net and its a top guy from what I've seen.

Good thinking Turtle

[Turtle]

YEAH BABY... I'd trust Trev, he's been on 1000RR.net and its a top guy from what I've seen.

Good thinking Turtle

Dude !!! Undeniably the Best Dynoer in Sydney....his results speak for themselves.....

[FIREBLADE]

nice work turtle.

[Bigdog]

Good job mate, I had my GSXR Dynoed by him and was very happy.

[lilninja]

sweet work turtle,

Im lookin for someone to make a custom map for my 675 maybe he can help me!

[Turtle]

sweet work turtle,

Im lookin for someone to make a custom map for my 675 maybe he can help me!

Dude, i saw the pic of ya 675..........Very nice mate.:ayyy:

[dungbeetle]

love ya work turtle!!:D

[Birdman45]

Hey Guys, Trev from Doin' Bikes........ Ray asked me to join up and say Hi, and answer any q's people may have about mapping or exhausts or whatever, so I've joined up in the hope of helping as many of you out as I can. I warn you , that like Ray (Turtle?) I can come accross as an arrogant tool at times, but I promise you this, that regardless of how I say things, I say them for one reason only, and that is that I believe it's the best thing for you, it's the truth (as far as I am aware) and the advice I give is based on what I have seen and used myself either personally or through the race team I had or through other well renouned tuners from around the world, as I am in contact with people like Race developments in the UK and Dan Kyle in the US pretty regularly sharing any new info and problems etc as we find them. I have done mapping and still do for the like of Ducati Oz race team, Yamaha Factory supersport team, Anthony Goberts CBR1000 for Redwing, etc etc I am pretty low key and am not interested in the BS written in mags like I used to be, coz I know from being on the inside of the scene, that it's just that, mostly BS. Some of the people that are "experts" in these mags are there for one reason only, coz they are virtually next door to the mags;' office and it's easy for them to use. Considering one of them had to basically beg Dynojet for the Tuning Link Program due to a few "problems", like many things in this world, things aren't always as they seem, but anyway, enough of the pleasontaries, have fun..
and ask away. LOL

[Turtle]

Hey Guys, Trev from Doin' Bikes........ Ray asked me to join up and say Hi, and answer any q's people may have about mapping or exhausts or whatever, so I've joined up in the hope of helping as many of you out as I can. I warn you , that like Ray (Turtle?) I can come accross as an arrogant tool at times, but I promise you this, that regardless of how I say things, I say them for one reason only, and that is that I believe it's the best thing for you, it's the truth (as far as I am aware) and the advice I give is based on what I have seen and used myself either personally or through the race team I had or through other well renouned tuners from around the world, as I am in contact with people like Race developments in the UK and Dan Kyle in the US pretty regularly sharing any new info and problems etc as we find them. I have done mapping and still do for the like of Ducati Oz race team, Yamaha Factory supersport team, Anthony Goberts CBR1000 for Redwing, etc etc I am pretty low key and am not interested in the BS written in mags like I used to be, coz I know from being on the inside of the scene, that it's just that, mostly BS. Some of the people that are "experts" in these mags are there for one reason only, coz they are virtually next door to the mags;' office and it's easy for them to use. Considering one of them had to basically beg Dynojet for the Tuning Link Program due to a few "problems", like many things in this world, things aren't always as they seem, but anyway, enough of the pleasontaries, have fun..
and ask away. LOL

Gday Trev, good to see ya found us........got the pic of the old 954 (the ones which pc3's do nothing for.....) I've given the crashed one a rest for now......catch ya soon.

Ray

[FIREBLADE]

welcome birdman45 good to have you on board.

[Birdman45]

Hahahahah, yeah, waste of time on 954's , APPARENTLY. LOL

[Bigdog]

Welcome to NSW RAT's Trev. I for one am very happy to see someone who brings a wealth of knowledge and experience and does this stuff all day everyday as opposed to the many keyboard hero's we see all the time. I hope to see you at one of our many Trackdays this year.:ayyy:

[Zakk]

:welcome: G'day Birdy, heard heaps about ya through another on this site, all-good of course, hope to bring my bike to you soon for some of your expertise


:ninja:

[MATTK6]

:weclome: birdy, hope ya have fun here and i'm sure you'll end up crossing paths with alot of people here:ayyy:

[triumph]

hi trev welcome to rats

[lilninja]

Hey Trev, welcome mate, can't say you didn't join at the perfect time for me. Im looking for someone to make a custom map for my 675 It has a C/F jardine and looking at getting a High flow air filter, Would like to get a custom map made using tuneboy and loaded into my origional ECU, In other words not really interested in A PC as I see it is a waste of money with these reprogrammable bikes, reckon you could sort me out?

Enjoy our stay, Im sure youll have quite a few technical questions comin your way real soon.

Cheers Lilninja

Thanx Turtle shes my baby!

[jace]

Hi Trev & welcome
Im looking for someone dyno tune my Tiller,but need to ask you a few questions first.Do you have a phone number mate?

[Kimbo]

Welcome Trev from somebody in the shire.

[clarkey]

Hey Guys, Trev from Doin' Bikes........ Ray asked me to join up and say Hi, and answer any q's people may have about mapping or exhausts or whatever, so I've joined up in the hope of helping as many of you out as I can. I warn you , that like Ray (Turtle?) I can come accross as an arrogant tool at times, but I promise you this, that regardless of how I say things, I say them for one reason only, and that is that I believe it's the best thing for you, it's the truth (as far as I am aware) and the advice I give is based on what I have seen and used myself either personally or through the race team I had or through other well renouned tuners from around the world, as I am in contact with people like Race developments in the UK and Dan Kyle in the US pretty regularly sharing any new info and problems etc as we find them. I have done mapping and still do for the like of Ducati Oz race team, Yamaha Factory supersport team, Anthony Goberts CBR1000 for Redwing, etc etc I am pretty low key and am not interested in the BS written in mags like I used to be, coz I know from being on the inside of the scene, that it's just that, mostly BS. Some of the people that are "experts" in these mags are there for one reason only, coz they are virtually next door to the mags;' office and it's easy for them to use. Considering one of them had to basically beg Dynojet for the Tuning Link Program due to a few "problems", like many things in this world, things aren't always as they seem, but anyway, enough of the pleasontaries, have fun..
and ask away. LOL

:welcome: Trev,looking for an exhaust and possibly pc3 for 954 any suggestions would be muchly appreciated:ayyy:

[Birdman45]

OK, thanks for the welcome. First up, I have seen the tune boy and what it does, and you are still better off with the powercommander, partly through what they both do and how etc and partly coz of how I can then tune it with either. I do have a phone number, but I am hard to get hold of during the day, best to use email, or leave a message on my phone. I run another business during the day and am at the dyno when I need to be basically, as it ain't something that is done "all day every day" if you get my drift. My mobile is 0409 248895, and my email is doinbikes@doinbikes.com.au

as for the 954, there are a few full systems that give great h.p for that model, interstengly enough slip ons (or bolt ons in this case) do SFA and in a few cases I have seen a 1-2h.p LOSS in h.p for the Blade. (only 954) But full systems, the best gains I have seen are with the Micron serpent system and the Arata system, the Sato would also be as good but I haven't done one myself to see for sure, but everything else I have done, the Sato is right there with the Arata. The only prob with the Mircon is the dip low down they give, and the h.p measured over time. There's more to a system than just a h.p gain, and that is how quickly it allows the bike to accelerate, so while you may see two systems give within 1h.p of eachother in gains, one may let the bike accelerate faster through the rpm, and looked at over time, you can see say , over 4sec, one system will make 100h.p for eg, the other will make 109 in that same amount of time. See what I am saying? But up to you, Arata are about to stop making the systems for older bikes, so if you want one, you'll have to be quick. Eiother way, both system for that bike will gain about 17-19h.p over stock, mapped. Pretty freakin good.

as for the TL, I have a USB model PC in stock for that bike so let me know and we'll get it sorted. Thanks guys.

Let me know if you want graphs etc to explain what I am saying, and I'll try and get them up.

[Irena]

:welcome:

[Zee]

Gday Trevor and welcome to Rats :ayyy:

I have a '03 CBR600RR dedicated trackie and have done no engine mods but chucked on a Yoshi slip on. I also put a K&N in it but took that out and replaced it back with the stock one after a few track days. Not happy with the K&N....have you ever held 'em up to the light. How do they filter the fine particles will holes in the weave?? Rubbish!!
Anyway back to my question. What increases would you achieve with your tried and tested set up??(full arata system and PC III).
IMO the bike smells very fat/rich. You start the thing in the garage and in seconds the eyes start to water. I never did anything to correct or have the fuel air ratio checked. Is this what you do??
In the near future I would like to get into racing, so I believe the EFI system would need to run at it's optimum. Would it be wise to dial the cams in before the tuning? or doesn't it make a difference in the air/fuel ratio tuning?
Could you let me know also how much this may cost.

Thanks Zee

[Birdman45]

The air/fuel or getting that right will make the biggest difference to your bike, more so than the pipe etc. Smoother on/off throttle, faster acceleration, more power from lower down the rpm etc. Regardless of if you are gonna go racing or not, you should get it done as it will make it a way better bike to ride anyway. The CBR600RR with the Arata system mapped adds 10h.p. Not bad for a 600, and it's the least gain I get from those systems, (600's in general) on larger bikes I see better gains again. As for cams etc, you will spend alot of money doing all these things that sound real good, but will yield not too much if anything anyway. My principle is always to keep it simple. When we had Roland Kruck racing for us, we'd have all sorts of guys with the same bikes and massive $'s spent on them asking what we had done, coz he was still passing them etc, on his CBR1000RR especially, and at that time it was stock, just system, mapping and suspension, but they don't believe it, and just go off looking for some other wonder adjustment to get massive h.p etc............ hahaha way of the racer. The more simple you keep it, the better you will be and less trouble you will have. Hope this helps.

[gobig2000]

Hello Trevor and welcome, I have an 06 CBR1000rr with a Jardine Duel Outlet C/F slip onwith the midpipe ceramic coated, Obvously the next step is headers, and PC3 or am i wrong?, what would you suggest?
Regards Chris H

[Zee]

The air/fuel or getting that right will make the biggest difference to your bike, more so than the pipe etc. Smoother on/off throttle, faster acceleration, more power from lower down the rpm etc. Regardless of if you are gonna go racing or not, you should get it done as it will make it a way better bike to ride anyway. The CBR600RR with the Arata system mapped adds 10h.p. Not bad for a 600, and it's the least gain I get from those systems, (600's in general) on larger bikes I see better gains again. As for cams etc, you will spend alot of money doing all these things that sound real good, but will yield not too much if anything anyway. My principle is always to keep it simple. When we had Roland Kruck racing for us, we'd have all sorts of guys with the same bikes and massive $'s spent on them asking what we had done, coz he was still passing them etc, on his CBR1000RR especially, and at that time it was stock, just system, mapping and suspension, but they don't believe it, and just go off looking for some other wonder adjustment to get massive h.p etc............ hahaha way of the racer. The more simple you keep it, the better you will be and less trouble you will have. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll be in touch. :ayyy:

[Turtle]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll be in touch. :ayyy:

Gettin' a bit of work done Zee ???


Turtle

[Zee]

Yep....as soon as I get around the misses :confused1:

[Turtle]

Yep....as soon as I get around the misses :confused1:

Nice......what are you gonna get ??? whats on your bike now ???

[Zee]

Nothing flash, just a PC and a dyno to get the thing running properly (air/fuel ratio)
Don't think that putting a full system on it will make big difference to HP. Trevor claims 10hp extra for that. Not really worth spending 3 grand for 10hp.
Might try the ability thing first :ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Hmm Zee, on that topic I may well not be going to CSS now... its decision time about getting a track bike or converting this one, so I have to set the funds aside for that. Sadly I'm forced to now I can't trust Shannons to pay out if I dump my pride and joy out there.
Sounds like a heap are going though, sucked when I went to L2 and I knew no-one.. glad that wont be the case for you.

[Zee]

Yeap no worries, all the best with whatever ya gonna do :ayyy:

[Turtle]

Hmm Zee, on that topic I may well not be going to CSS now... its decision time about getting a track bike or converting this one, so I have to set the funds aside for that. Sadly I'm forced to now I can't trust Shannons to pay out if I dump my pride and joy out there.
Sounds like a heap are going though, sucked when I went to L2 and I knew no-one.. glad that wont be the case for you.

You can buy my bike for a Trakky..............Hmmmmmm don't know where it is ??

[MarkyGG]

Mmmmm need PC and custom map.

[Birdman45]

"Hello Trevor and welcome, I have an 06 CBR1000rr with a Jardine Duel Outlet C/F slip onwith the midpipe ceramic coated, Obvously the next step is headers, and PC3 or am i wrong?, what would you suggest?
Regards Chris H"

Yeah, that would be the next step, but I don't know how much more the Jardine headers will give you and/or if they do them for the Blade, I know they weren't before, may have changed now. I know with the Yo0sh headers on the Blade, they give not 1 more h.p over the slip on. I have a dyno chart I can post for you if you wish, that shows a bike we did stock, vs slip on, vs Yosh headers, vs Headers with dna filters, and the filters gave more h.p through the rev range than the headers did. LOL So, if you wanna go that way, I'd suggest looking at a better system altogether, but up to you. The mapping will help it out with the slip on as well, so maybe just look at that first and decide if you need more after that??

10h.p for 2.5K (not 3, did I tell you 3?? ) is pretty damned good if you ask me, I have seen people spend way more for less. Haha. But as you say, no amopunt of h.p will overcome talent, but unfortunately you can't buy talent.

[MATTK6]

that would probable be one of the most straight to the point and honest things i've heard for a verry long time (money cant buy talent):ayyy:

[jasonbw]

BTW the quote button at the bottom right corner of the person you want to quote, will paste their post into a window for editing.

Anyway, time for me to ask...

Have you any dyno runs of a stock 05 CBR1000RR v's PC3/DNA/Stock exhaust blade? Would that clean up the slight low rev snatch and smooth out delivery?
JasonBW

[Darwin]

Hi Trevor, welcome to the site.
I corresponded with you a few weeks back by email about getting a custom map on the zx-14. I have the mods done now (muzzy slips, flys out, PC3) and just want to add an air filter then map. I am running generic map for the mods at the moment and and smells a bit rich and it a bit rough between 2.5 and 3 grand (the bike spends a lot of its time there at legal pace)
My questions
Do you sell any decent after market air filters?
What will be the Rats price to get a map done?

cheers
Darwin

[Turtle]

Hi Trevor, welcome to the site.
I corresponded with you a few weeks back by email about getting a custom map on the zx-14. I have the mods done now (muzzy slips, flys out, PC3) and just want to add an air filter then map. I am running generic map for the mods at the moment and and smells a bit rich and it a bit rough between 2.5 and 3 grand (the bike spends a lot of its time there at legal pace)
My questions
Do you sell any decent after market air filters?
What will be the Rats price to get a map done?

cheers
Darwin

Hey Darwin, I got a set of DNA's of Trev when he did my PowerCommander, they are the only filters that actually flow extra HP.

[Turtle]

BTW the quote button at the bottom right corner of the person you want to quote, will paste their post into a window for editing.

Anyway, time for me to ask...

Have you any dyno runs of a stock 05 CBR1000RR v's PC3/DNA/Stock exhaust blade? Would that clean up the slight low rev snatch and smooth out delivery?
JasonBW

Jase after doing my Flapper mod it made a bit of difference as you know, but after the PCIII I had no lag at all, big difference Dude.

[jasonbw]

:) mmmmm.... just interested without an aftermarket exhaust.. my best mate is in Highway and lives across the cul-de-sac... kinda dont want him to hear me coming :) :)

[Turtle]

:) mmmmm.... just interested without an aftermarket exhaust.. my best mate is in Highway and lives across the cul-de-sac... kinda dont want him to hear me coming :) :)

Ya gotta get rid of that Big Heavy Restrictive Standard Exhaust..

[FIREBLADE]

yeah that ugly thing is going next on mine.

[Darwin]

Hey Darwin, I got a set of DNA's of Trev when he did my PowerCommander, they are the only filters that actually flow extra HP.

Thanks Turtle, I checked DNAs web site and they have just released a filter the the 14 too. BMC have had one for a while and K&N are still thinking about it.
cheers
Darwin

[Turtle]

Thanks Turtle, I checked DNAs web site and they have just released a filter the the 14 too. BMC have had one for a while and K&N are still thinking about it.
cheers
Darwin

Trev will do a good price on the DNA filters, just make sure he has a set in stock when you go there. I had K&N's in mine but got rid of them when i heard they are no improvement over the standard ones, in some bikes you actually lose power with the K&N filters!!! Strange isn't it ...

[jasonbw]

Ya gotta get rid of that Big Heavy Restrictive Standard Exhaust..

Nope, happy with it for now... I'm not exactly lightweight myself :)

[MATTK6]

that's why ya need the sport system mate, reduce weight where you can:lmao:

[jasonbw]

:)

I'm keen to hear if the standard system with PC3 + DNA gives a HP increase in the useable range, we know stock its too rich so it should... wonder what the HP difference is between a nicely tuned stock system v's aftermarket slip on (not full system)

[clarkey]

OK, thanks for the welcome. First up, I have seen the tune boy and what it does, and you are still better off with the powercommander, partly through what they both do and how etc and partly coz of how I can then tune it with either. I do have a phone number, but I am hard to get hold of during the day, best to use email, or leave a message on my phone. I run another business during the day and am at the dyno when I need to be basically, as it ain't something that is done "all day every day" if you get my drift. My mobile is 0409 248895, and my email is doinbikes@doinbikes.com.au

as for the 954, there are a few full systems that give great h.p for that model, interstengly enough slip ons (or bolt ons in this case) do SFA and in a few cases I have seen a 1-2h.p LOSS in h.p for the Blade. (only 954) But full systems, the best gains I have seen are with the Micron serpent system and the Arata system, the Sato would also be as good but I haven't done one myself to see for sure, but everything else I have done, the Sato is right there with the Arata. The only prob with the Mircon is the dip low down they give, and the h.p measured over time. There's more to a system than just a h.p gain, and that is how quickly it allows the bike to accelerate, so while you may see two systems give within 1h.p of eachother in gains, one may let the bike accelerate faster through the rpm, and looked at over time, you can see say , over 4sec, one system will make 100h.p for eg, the other will make 109 in that same amount of time. See what I am saying? But up to you, Arata are about to stop making the systems for older bikes, so if you want one, you'll have to be quick. Eiother way, both system for that bike will gain about 17-19h.p over stock, mapped. Pretty freakin good.

as for the TL, I have a USB model PC in stock for that bike so let me know and we'll get it sorted. Thanks guys.

Let me know if you want graphs etc to explain what I am saying, and I'll try and get them up.
Thanks for the advice trev,just tossing up to go for the 954 bits or put the money into trading up to the 08 blade thats rumoured ,any insider knowledge???????:ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Yep, fireblade posted this onto the 1000rr.net forum

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/LIROS_2006/2008cbr.jpg

[MATTK6]

arh, so honda have gone away from the undertail exhaust to the suzuki styled one hey?:lmao:

[jasonbw]

oh the shame...

[Zee]

I fail to see the similarity, it's styled to the Motogp Honda. :doggy:

[MATTK6]

ok, look at the suzuki 600-750 exhaust, and find one with an aftermarket pipe, then look at the honda's exhaust and tell me theres no similarity, considering honda went to the undertail and now gone back to the side mount

[Zee]

Like I said, looks like a gp Honda.
If you would like to isolated particular components, I guess the fasteners are similar than too.

[Birdman45]

Oh man, please don't tell me they are gonna go sidemount like everyone else, yeah it looks "GP" but so does the undertail, you could even get GP tail sections out of Portugal that had that cut out in the middle like the RC211V's, looked awesome, I was trying to get them here to sell, but they were painful to try and get info etc out of so I didn't bother.

The ZX14 I have done already and the guy ewas happy with it once done, sothe DNA's are about $120 off the top of my head, the mapping is usually $300, I'll do it for guy on here at $250, but make sure you let me know that when you book it in, or I'll "rip you off" Haha.

as for the Blade stock, nah haven't done one with a stock system and mapped it. It will make it better, no doubt about it, the mapping on a stock bike is still out, in varying degrees from bike to bike in different areas, but compared to slip ons, the most I have seen from a slip on for the CBR1000 is 5h.p. Now if you map the stock bike and gain 3, map the slip on and gain 2 + the 5 from the pipe, you're still ahead on the pipe, but your "best mate" will hear you as well. LOL

[jasonbw]

Thanks Trevor!

[Birdman45]

Never a problem, that's what I'm here for. I just can't believe I haven't pissed anyone off yet. Hahha Usually I have lines drawn by now with supportes and haters. LOL Nice site guys.

[jasonbw]

Honestly not seen an angry word here yet.. well, directed at any forum members anyway. awesome site!

[MATTK6]

feel free to share you knowledge and opinions here trevor:ayyy:

[Turtle]

Yep, fireblade posted this onto the 1000rr.net forum

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/LIROS_2006/2008cbr.jpg

Is this what i heard about in the Aussie Mags ??? If not someone post up the aussie mag pics, i gotta see!!!

[jasonbw]

Yep, its AMCN.

[Birdman45]

I I do and will Thanks guys, I just always seem to end up in shitfights on most other sites, always thought it was me. On the 600rr.net site my sig was changed by forum mods to "forget the dickhead and pompus way I come accross, I do this for a living so just ask" hahaha was funny so I left it, but yeah, great site guys, luv ya work.

[Jacs]

Nar man your cool here.. oh yeah are you going to Sapang again champ a feww guys are thinking of see at band play there if managment alows it??

[Birdman45]

whoa, who the hell is this? LOL You know too mcuh about me. Hahaha

We are supposed to be, just working out if it'll be a 4 piece of 5. They are doing renovations to the Beach club apparently, and openning new levels etc. If they have it done, they're bringing us over with the 5 piece, if not the 4.

[Jacs]

haha yeah man Im trying to get over there again so you can vist us in our hotel again.. oh and GARY is an old joke now!! hahaha try hard to remember

[Birdman45]

Nah I got it now, I had an idea it was one of you guys. LOL and yeah, we STILL go on about GARRREEEHHHHHHHHH. LOL and it's still just as contagious..... within 3 min of hearing it, someone else is doing it too. Haha

This yeasr though , instead of just getting up with 3 of us, the club is bringin the whole band over to do a few shows on our own, without the house band etc. should be big. Just waiting to hear if we are doing the Isle of White again at PI too.

[Jacs]

hehe sweet dude, Im planing on going but wont know till later in the yr.. I goto make an effot and come out and see yas at scruffys if you's still play there.. If not I'll catch you at a bike thing some time

[Turtle]

Hey Jacob how are you Dude ??? G'day Trev, maybe we should have a RATS night out to see UA ????

[Jacs]

Sounds good Ray, Im moving in the next week or so So I'll be a little lost for a few weeks but I'll be in for sure...!!!!!!!!!

[Turtle]

Sounds good Ray, Im moving in the next week or so So I'll be a little lost for a few weeks but I'll be in for sure...!!!!!!!!!

Where you movin' to ??

[Jacs]

looking for a place in Oatley, but for the meantime a friends floor near livo..

[jace]

looking for a place in Oatley,

Yeh..... Roy will be real happy.......:lmao: :lmao:

[dilbee]

looking for a place in Oatley, but for the meantime a friends floor near livo..

you should go see Pan as he would probably get ya a coffee. haha

[Turtle]

Watch out....Pan is a suspect in the Infamous laced coffee crimes, everyone who has had one of his coffees has no recollection of what happened three hours after the meeting, but have woken up not knowing what happened, only to feel a little sore:confused: .......Apparently SloBro fell victim to one of Pans espresso's and vaguely remembers Pan making him "CROW" like a rooster in some sort of weird ritual ........

[jasonbw]

hmmm, he and 749dark should get together... last OP day before the ride up he gave me a coffee with a shot of some Grappa(?)... MAN !!!

[Turtle]

hmmm, he and 749dark should get together... last OP day before the ride up he gave me a coffee with a shot of some Grappa(?)... MAN !!!

Watchit Jase thats how they 'test the water' if you know what i mean ?

[Birdman45]

yeah that sounds sweet for the Rats night out. I will let you know where and which ones will be the best to come to and go from there. We haven't got anything at Scruffys coming up but we are doing 3 wise monkeys alot, so if the sity is the best, then that would be the one to come to. Lots of skirt too which is always good. LOL The dates we have coming are : Thur 5th July, but you'd be better doing the 4th August, it's a friday and we use a 5 piece with one of the best drummers and guitarists in the country.

[clarkey]

Trev,not sure if this is still a bike column or music corner but ill ask anyway,does fitting full system and tuning pc make a 954 a pig of a road bike(day to day) and just good for the track or would it just be improved in all rev ranges,and rideability.:confused1:

[Turtle]

Trev,not sure if this is still a bike column or music corner but ill ask anyway,does fitting full system and tuning pc make a 954 a pig of a road bike(day to day) and just good for the track or would it just be improved in all rev ranges,and rideability.:confused1:

I'm sure Trev will give you the low down but i can tell you that you'll get more grunt from a meatier mid range like Glen from the Old Road, and better off the mark acceleration

[clarkey]

Did you have the works on yr 954 turtle???

[Turtle]

Did you have the works on yr 954 turtle???

I had a system that went from the Headers back which gave me more grunt and better take off.....I was gonna do a PCIII but made the mistake of going to DynoDave (fuckwit) when i asked him about putting one in my 954 he laughed and said "A PowerCommander wont do anything for your 954" what a COCK !!!


Wish I knew Trev back then.............

[clarkey]

I too have been head butting the mechanical wall(jesus from cc),been taking her in to try to rid jerkiness from closed throttle till around four five but apparently is normal,also as you no is no fan of the pc and swears blind against its day to day rideability but this opinion differs,hoping trev could fill me in a little as he has a lot of fans or others that have done full xhaust and pc changes and wat they found????

[Birdman45]

filled you in on the PM's mate, all good. How you can swear blind about the day to day rideability with/of a pc is beyond me, but anyway.......... the jerkiness is mostly due to poor fueling. Some bikes are REAL bad, I mapped 11ty SP1's for this reason, now THAT is a jerky throttle, and all of them were way better once mapped. It;'s coz at say 3K and no throttle, or 2-5%, it may be really rich (for eg), then when you get to 4-5K rpm and 5-20% throttle, it may be better, or even too lean, so you're goin from too rich to too lean, and if you're at the cross over point of that happening, it'll be real jerky. Or if it's just way too rich or lean, it'll wanna chug or hop etc coz it can't clear itself of the fuel or isn't getting enough and gos between trying to work and choking etc etc. Hope this helps.