Traxxion Dynamics Suspension class?

[jasonbw]

Hey all,

I came across Traxxions site when searching for a preload tool, and found Max McAllister has made a 3 1/2 hour classroom like DVD (http://www.traxxion.com/store/detail.asp?product_id=SUS4V) set on Suspension.

Funny timing but Zee wrote to me after I posted about the preload tool saying he's keen to get it, so already the cost is at least halved!

If anyone is keen to share the costs then I'll be happy to get it and we can 'share' the DVDs?

Probably work out with a few people wanting it to only $10 each, its US$50 + postage, PM me if your keen.

JasonBW

[lilninja]

Im always keen to learn some more about the black art of suspension:ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Good stuff, thats three.. cmon.. others?

[jasonbw]

OK, Its on the way, if anyone wants it let me know. I'll PM you Damien and Zee tomorrow.

[ihampster]

im keen ,i want to know more...:ayyy:

[jasonbw]

They've arrived !! Finally... we'll, Cindy picked up the parcel so I hope its in there... anyone else want a copy ? Think of how much $$$ it'll save you in tyres!!!

[zenodamper]

Jeepers, only just seen this post - ha ha

Umm, got that on hard drive somewhere I thinks - or maybe some DVDs; but just got this feeling that i leant it to someone.... hmm...

Anyways, is enjoyable enough!

Oh, and I carry a few Traxxion items if anyone wants anything like Omni kits, or TD pistons/cartridges etc... Isn't a very well known brand outside of the U.S of Everywhere... LOL

[lilninja]

Cool I was wondering If you had fergotten about us jase!

When do you want my share of the money side of things?

[jasonbw]

Cant wait to watch it tonight :)

Heres some pics :)
http://members.iinet.com.au/~jasonbw/photos/bikes/Misc/Traxxion_DVD_closed.JPG
http://members.iinet.com.au/~jasonbw/photos/bikes/Misc/Traxxion_DVD_open.JPG

[jasonbw]

Jeepers, only just seen this post - ha ha

Umm, got that on hard drive somewhere I thinks - or maybe some DVDs; but just got this feeling that i leant it to someone.... hmm...

Anyways, is enjoyable enough!

Oh, and I carry a few Traxxion items if anyone wants anything like Omni kits, or TD pistons/cartridges etc... Isn't a very well known brand outside of the U.S of Everywhere... LOL

Sad part is it should be knowledgable...

Take a look at our supersport tables from last year:-

Pos Name Round 2 Pole Race 1 Race 2 Total
1 Jamie STAUFFER (NSW) 102 1 25 25 153
2 Shaun GERONIMI (NSW) 62 0 17 15 94
3 Glenn ALLERTON (NSW) 72 0 18 0 90
4 Jason O'HALLORAN (NSW) 60 0 11 18 89
5 Mark AITCHISON (NSW) 58 0 0 20 78
6 Jeremy CROWE (NSW) 47 0 13 14 74
7 Bryan STARING (WA) 46 0 16 10 72
8 Joshua WATERS (VIC) 36 0 14 17 67
9 Adam FERGUSSON (VIC) 29 0 20 16 65
10 Christopher SEATON (VIC) 50 0 15 0 65

Shaun was running Traxxion (AK20), his tuner Dave (Radar?) has taken many a bike and rider to Oz championships (Curtain, Magee et al) so he knows whats good and whats not. Nice gear - arse of an attitude on the owner though.

[zenodamper]

Yes - well, weirdly enuff I am more than aware of what uncle Dave did last year! Indeed, I even helped with the data at the beginning from afar...

And yes, Max's attitude - or should we say, "extreme personality" is pretty well known too - last year when I was dealing TK stuff over in the UK in conjunction with Axxion UK, and we were testing AK and the gas kits, and even just in offering feedback with how we change the data/settings for the stuff at various tracks - read some sorts of surfaces/environs - he was a little loathe to hear any of it! But like whatever, eh! Just unfortunate that this attitude makes him prime material for a cunning business person such as the guy in Monterey to lay him with punches, as such - but he never sees it coming! LOL

[jasonbw]

Ohhh yes, DK and Max's rivalry provides for some GREAT entertainment... I was once stupid enough to feel 'obliged' to defend Dan... more though since Max openly laughed at me for buying Ohlins gear. Anyway, a smart Aussie set me straight and opened my eyes on the 1000rr forum... actually most of that last post was from him.

Mate, awesome to hear your experiences, suspension is such a black art... wish I knew more about it.

[twitcher]

I'd throw in for a copy of this if it's still on offer. By the way, Jason, thanks for offering to give my mate Vince a lift the other day at OP. I picked him up just after you left and he was bruised but happy:clap: (as you always are after a I-can't-believe-i'm-not-hurt bike incident). His bike got off pretty lightly, too.

[jasonbw]

No worries Twitcher, SO sad to see the '12 like that, but I believe he got off lightly. Good on you for picking him up... we were the last to leave :)

P.s. Hows Vinnies ribs?? I guess they're allright from your post, he was a bit worried
P.p.s. Did he tell you Wayne Clarke himself told him not to change a thing about his riding??? I listened to his debrief, he rode fantastically. (fwiw, his accident wasnt cornering related, just a prob with the braking)

[Zee]

I never got a PM Jbw :(

[Johnny]

JASON..... I'll take a set of the DVDS mate.

Im all for learning all I can of something I know nothing about..

The last set I got from you was informing enough, but if there is more to learn, then its criminal to not want to.

So please send me details of where I will send the measly 12.50 plus postage fees to get this edumacation.

[Jacs]

Jase I'll grab a copy for that low low cost, may help me unconfuse myself..
where do you want to $$ sent?

[jasonbw]

Hah hahah... no prob, I'll pop you a PM.

[jasonbw]

Finished watching it yesterday, man theres some GREAT info in here... too much to type but seriously a good watch, if you dont want to jump in the shared price then find someone who did and watch it, it'll save you money on tyres and give you a far better understanding of how the bike works and how to make it work for you!

I think I need to watch it about 30 more times to get all the info out of it!

[jasonbw]

Also, just in summary, this is all set in a classroom, with Max constantly writing on the whiteboard explaining setup principles... in detail... theres very little on the components, i.e. no pulling down a shock or fork in front of you, it focuses of what you, as the rider needs to know about setting up your suspension to work for your weight and style, instead of leaving it at the factory settings for a 55kg Japanese guy :)

[dungbeetle]

i have watched some of those first set of dvds ya had jason and there is so much stuff in there that i just cant remember!!! the tyre bit was great, but soooooooooooooooo much info!:(
i need my laptop at the track so i can watch it when i get back from a session....i also need to do at least the sag on my track bike one day!!!:p

[jasonbw]

You wont believe the difference it makes when you set the sag (if your springs allow anyway)... changes the bike so it becomes far easier to ride, you circulate around and find out you were quicker than before with less effort!

[Yarnie]

Jason, ill buy a set off you when i come back to oz. :)

[lilninja]

Jase speaks the truth, I am noth the fastest rider out there but when he and turtle helped me set my sag It all ust became a little easier! Thank guys:ayyy:

[jasonbw]

Jason, ill buy a set off you when i come back to oz. :)

Too late, I have your address already bud, its at work ready to post tomorrow :)

[jasonbw]

Jase speaks the truth, I am noth the fastest rider out there but when he and turtle helped me set my sag It all ust became a little easier! Thank guys:ayyy:

awww shucks... seriously though its all too easy, esp after learning from the pros on the DVD schools...Turtle has been doing this for all his mates for ages too, he's handy with a tape measure :ayyy: BigB and I went round to Dallas' place a week or so ago and did the same, cant wait to hear how it goes at the track!

[zenodamper]

Hmm... problem I can see is that bike model sags can differ quite radically; and yeah it were a year or so ago that I saw them vids; but I dunnae recall an inventory of each machine's millimetre value like...

But yeah, setting the amount the wheel can flow into a dip is pretty important...

;)

[Johnny]

I got my set :), ( thanx Jasonbw, again), but, have not had a chance to view them, and probably wont untill Thursday or so, but have watched the first set a few times, this new set will only make this dumbarse learn that bit more (hopefully), thanx again Jason.

Zeno, May come in with bike on thursday , if thats allright mate, havent seen you in a bit, besides, you can show me what Im doing or have done wrong :). I know, afternoon :p

otherwise, Im going to ask one of you blokes with help/advice in person on setting it up, Ill come to track day or something to do so, please please pretty please with sugar on top... :p
all this is getting me excited:)

[jasonbw]

Hmm... problem I can see is that bike model sags can differ quite radically; and yeah it were a year or so ago that I saw them vids; but I dunnae recall an inventory of each machine's millimetre value like...

But yeah, setting the amount the wheel can flow into a dip is pretty important...

;)

Yep, Max is happy to run with big sag numbers... I'll be trying tight and loose settings - see which I like best, but I figure so long as my bike is balanced (last TD I ran 34F 39R Sag - problem with the rear shock) then I'll be happy. (EDIT: for EC I aim for around 37F 28R)

wheel allowing for dips.. hell yes, I had trouble with the rear moving everywhere every entry to T9 at EC due to the ripples there, my static (non rider) sag was near 0.. getting that up to 10mm will allow for the wheel to 'fall' better I hope.

[zenodamper]

Yep, Max is happy to run with big sag numbers...

Well, the large rear sag is just one of them "queer" (Famous Five voice - Comic Strip) American things.... But, there is a reason for his large front sags... and coincidentally I agree with a good amount of sensitivity up front; but I fear he has had to call those numbers due to design issues with the system - have been through it myself with Ohlin's, WP and Penske's p-type versions, and funnily 'nuff they ain't in use too much these days (hmm wonder why? LOL)

Why you run that rear figure BTW? (or was it just the preload collar being a PITA?)

[jasonbw]

The 39 rear was just that preload collar (good memory Zeno!). But my happy zone :) is 37 front and 28 rear for a smooth fast track like eastern creek.

DK recommended around 40/30, Ohlins book shows around 35-50 F -> 25-35 R, kinda just hitting a midrange value, considering my weight being a FatBastard 105kg I'm keeping it on the tight side.

[zenodamper]

Is important to know why Ohlin recommends that way - and of recent since Msr Kyle has gone all Kent Ohlin on everyone's ass, why also he would say that too! Basically it is all to do with valving types, and design of the internals and their balance- for EG, on a Penske shock, barring the peculiar Yanks and their soggy rear end preferences, for the most part a much smaller number is used for sag on those shocks; this is due to the means by which the main spring is tensioned. Which is to say that the Ohlin shock with 30-32mm sag is actually conserving a similar amount of kg/f as the Penske is with 25mm sag - the energy on the spring set's preloadedness is just being spread in a differing manner, and what appears on the exterior is only the final number.

Similarly, with an Ohlin fork; and likewise my own 25mm or the WP drop-in race cartridges or entire fork's design (Marzocchi as well recently), a larger sag figure is being determined more by its construction than by "oh, well, we have decided this is a better number now.." sort of mindset. Masses has changed about fork and shock design in the last 20 years, and truly, to compare the old shuttle valve designs with the latest stuff out of Italia or Sverige, Holland, the US or Japan is to find oneself in awe of what they can do on bikes nowadays - or flipped over in reverse, is to understand just how bloody well some of those riders did on the early 80s Honda GP bikes!!

Anyways, I ain't a word person, so hopefully that made some sense.... :)

[jasonbw]

I think it sums up to... seek advice from a pro who does this for a living and see's many different bikes and suspension brands to get the most out of what you have :)

Hey, just on the off chance you see this before tomorrow arvo, where can I source some of that red grease I should be using on the R1's fork seals... got them apart tonight and want to cut back that dust seal a little, and re-grease those fork seals before putting it back together.

hmm, can I ask one more thing??? Can you polish a fork tube while its out?? i.e. should I take to it with a bit of Mothers or Autosol ? Or is that a bad thing... chromes looking a little tired..

[Zee]

I use fork damping fluid to lube assembly Jbw. And aren't the forks Hard Chromed??? either way the polishes won't hurt it.

[jasonbw]

Cool thanks, I've read on the forum Zeno goes to (Independent suspension forum) the Ohlins red grease makes a big difference to stiction... I know its not that important for my case but while I have the forks apart I may as well help it a little :)

[Yarnie]

Thanx again mate. :ayyy:

[zenodamper]

Grease is a funny topic really - if u want the Ohlin's stuff, I would need a few whiles to get it out of SCP (Ohlin's Oz) - as I myself use mainly Fuchs stuff... Though, it is often the case, and like Zee noted, that not using grease works better - I tested the Ariete supplied pink stuff a while back, and found there to be less stiction (static friction) with none added - just use a little fluid... but bucket loads on the exterior in order that it sits in the slider nicely!

As to polishing, well, again, another funny topic.... would you polish an engine barrel or an inlet port?

[jasonbw]

Grease is a funny topic really - if u want the Ohlin's stuff, I would need a few whiles to get it out of SCP (Ohlin's Oz) - as I myself use mainly Fuchs stuff... Though, it is often the case, and like Zee noted, that not using grease works better - I tested the Ariete supplied pink stuff a while back, and found there to be less stiction (static friction) with none added - just use a little fluid... but bucket loads on the exterior in order that it sits in the slider nicely!

As to polishing, well, again, another funny topic.... would you polish an engine barrel or an inlet port?

Thanks guys... polishing... nahh its okay, got a mate who'll cross hatch the sliders for me :eyecrazy: J/K

Zee, stop being so damn right!

[Zee]

Sorry...my bad :o

[dallas]

got my copy inthe mail Jason... good job mate, love the cover artwork.!.

will watch it next week whilst the girlie's away...

cheers mate


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