possibly 3 dumb questions

[Marcus]

1 where can I get sparky knee sliders where the titanium bits dont fall out?
(the plastic heats up, melts and they fall out)

2 The clickers on my forks- what happens if I set it in between clicks? E.g 1.5 clicks each.

3 Or can I set my rebound one side 2 and the other side 1?

For the time being, I have added 1/2 a turn of preload on the rear to hopefully weight the front a bit more... Dunno if its right but its worth a shot. I also backed off front preload a touch. Its running wide on one particular corner that has been resurfaced. Even at a slowish pace but it hasnt done it anywhere else which makes me suspect the surface or a camber I cant see.

Well, I warned you that they were dumb!

Bikes a K6 thou if that makes any difference.

[dungbeetle]

cant help ya with any marcus...i dunno shit about suspension...and i dont get my knee down so dont need sparkys!!!
i know kat00 and madhatter have sparkys and they have never lost any bits out of them

[Cleverlie]

Try this site.
http://www.tw-performance.com.au/catalog/default.php?cPath=21&osCsid=ecfa86cc939bdcf1b29014a8b61b031d

Im not sure on sliders with sparkies that don't fall out. Would have thought none of em done it.

[Kat00]

1 where can I get sparky knee sliders where the titanium bits dont fall out?
(the plastic heats up, melts and they fall out)

Call Corey direct to place an order on 0438 677 250

The Throttle Stop Phone: 9456 4900
995a Pacific Highway - Berowra


2 The clickers on my forks- what happens if I set it in between clicks? E.g 1.5 clicks each.

Very Little.


3 Or can I set my rebound one side 2 and the other side 1?

Not according to conventional thinking.

[Jungleboy]

Hey Marcus!

I cant help you with the knee sliders but the suspension is no problem!

2) It will not cause any problems if you set your adjusters between clicks (but I dont know why you would want to), they are linear adjusters that work via a screw thread (Such as closing a tap)

3) You can set rebound and compression differently on either side, some tuners do it (some bikes even used to come with compression damping in on leg and rebound in the other) But I believe its dodgy! Just like putting different weight springs in each leg to get a rate that is between the 2...

But how ever so slight I believe this can introduce a small amount of flex between the lower stanchions and the axle resulting in a slight binding of the fork during its stroke.

Cheers Jai

[dungbeetle]

Hey Marcus!

Just like putting different weight springs in each leg to get a rate that is between the 2...

Cheers Jai

well that may explain why my bike came with a 0.95 in one fork and a 0.90 in the other fork. i thought i was losing it and havent been back into the forks to check for sure that they were different!!!

[lilninja]

with the nee sliders just get some titanium rod, drill some holes, (not all the way through!) and araldite them in! or you can just buy some!

[jasonbw]

With the forks, once you slide the axle through they BOTH work as one unit, you can set whatever you want on each fork leg, they'll work together using the mean of those settings.
Springs, settings, oil levels, oil type, whatever, its the same, the forks are one unit.

[Turtle]

1 where can I get sparky knee sliders where the titanium bits dont fall out?
(the plastic heats up, melts and they fall out)

Mmmmm...DUMB......

2 The clickers on my forks- what happens if I set it in between clicks? E.g 1.5 clicks each.

Mmmmm..also DUMB

3 Or can I set my rebound one side 2 and the other side 1?

Mmmmm....even more DUMB...

For the time being, I have added 1/2 a turn of preload on the rear to hopefully weight the front a bit more... Dunno if its right but its worth a shot. I also backed off front preload a touch. Its running wide on one particular corner that has been resurfaced. Even at a slowish pace but it hasnt done it anywhere else which makes me suspect the surface or a camber I cant see.

Well, I warned you that they were dumb!

Bikes a K6 thou if that makes any difference.
Blah Blah Blah.

[jasonbw]

Harsh week ended last Sunday! Get back to building your bike :)

[Jungleboy]

With the forks, once you slide the axle through they BOTH work as one unit, you can set whatever you want on each fork leg, they'll work together using the mean of those settings.
Springs, settings, oil levels, oil type, whatever, its the same, the forks are one unit.

Theoretically yes, but however minute due to flex and tolerances in the bushes, It is possible for one leg to move a mm or 2 more than that otherwhich will cause increased friction and binding.

I know it probably seems negledgable but picture having all the compression damping in one leg and all the rebound In the other (older marzocchi's amoung others ) when they compress slowly there would virtually be no flex or deflection, but then imagine hitting a sharp bump at 200kph (or slaming the front down from a high speed wheelie) and the fork tries to compress at very high speed and there is great resistance in one leg and virtually none in the other I garauntee you will get some flex in the axle/fork junction area. (thats why they keep making fork tubes and axles thicker in diameter (WP 50mm superbike forks, factory Showa) because there is still some flex there!

Also remember that damping is speed dependant (the faster you try to compress it the harder it seems to compress, like being in a pool cupping your hand and moving your arm through the water the faster you try to move it the more resistance there seems to be...)

[Marcus]

Thanks for the comments guys (turtle is always the exception ;-))

One of my mates took the bike for a spin around the block, as he came to the driveway he braked pretty hard so I could see it bottom. The cable tie went down, tyre skipped and as it did this I thought I could see the forks tubes misalign with the outer tubes. I thought I was seeing things... I had a vibration on hard braking but now thats gone as I have reset my front end.

I can see what Jai's saying and what jason is saying and for the sake of another 6 page thread like last time I asked a question (I think 4 pages just on squat alone) I might keep my big mouth shut

[Johnny]

With the forks, once you slide the axle through they BOTH work as one unit, you can set whatever you want on each fork leg, they'll work together using the mean of those settings.
Springs, settings, oil levels, oil type, whatever, its the same, the forks are one unit.
aghhh, word for word from the suspension vids I got off you, see they even penetrated into this thickhead :p

[jasonbw]

HA Hahahaha.. yep, word for word, but like Jai says, theres experience, and theres logic... I believe Jai's right, but I think for me personally I'm not fast enough to feel a difference so I'd be happy to run different springs etc (not that I need to) :)

[Johnny]

Haha , exactly mate, I'm no where good enough to tell the difference either, only difference now is (many thanx to your vids) I have a little better understanding of it, thats all.

[MadHatter]

Best sparkey sliders are 'Wizz'

[zenodamper]

Ha ha - u should put "suspension" in the title, then I might be more likely to "see" it...

Yep, as Jai said regarding adjusters - the Ten Kate stuff I worked on a whiles back were 4 way adjustable, in that low comp and rebound one side, and vice versa @ right - and I have myself done all this too with invertings on one side for other reasons... There is no problem with not even having an "adjuster" in one side at all if the rest of the system is set up to deal with it.... but the needles are very rarely linear in performance - it is not enough to say 5 to 10 clicks out gives the same bleed growth as 10 to 15 clicks out - both are a jump of 5 clicks; but won't be the same...

As to flex, well, it measures at around 0.2mm if you completely leave a cartridge and spring out in one leg, and just run it all in the other side...

Unlikely your mate would be able to bottom the fork (knife and forks?), as the hydraulic bottoming boss will exponentially slow things within the last 25mm, and most likely the damping's massive increase will "chirp" the tyre away from adhesion and cause the wheel to extend away from the bike as it slips forward; thus the "whole attempting to bottom procedure" will need to start again!!

Z

[Havago]

Best sparkey sliders are 'Wizz'

+1 Wizz are defently the best. :ayyy:
Its a shame Motrax dont make these anymore :(
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n316/havago06/Motrax20Titanium20Oval.jpg

[Marcus]

with the nee sliders just get some titanium rod, drill some holes, (not all the way through!) and araldite them in! or you can just buy some!

BTW searched for Ti rod on google and nothing. I guess an option is using bolts and counter sink the heads. I have a spare set of sliders which I used the rod and locktite, normal steel. No melting yet!

Zeno if I put "dumb questions" in the title, its human nature to have a look.

He didnt bottom them as it was only from about 60klms but it was just under 10mm from the very bottom. It did the chirp/skip thing, but it looked like the forks were bending backwards. I know it sounds stupid but thats what it looked like.

P.s Its the 20th today, how are you travelling? I assume you need a bit more time?

[zenodamper]

Re: "dumb questions" - are not most stuff on forums a little like that>? :p :mod_smilie_rockwoot ...hence mine time the way it is and only scanning what looks interesting; which is invariably quite subjective to boot! - "Which bar-ends to get?" usually has me back at the vices! (work-top type unfortunately...)

Re: Time-frame...: I will reckon on being able to take it in next wednesday....

...sure u don't wanna hear more on my "oral-antal fistular"?? :eyecrazy:

*noting the time, I had better get off.... ;)

[jasonbw]

Re: "dumb questions" - are not most stuff on forums a little like that>? :p :mod_smilie_rockwoot ...hence mine time the way it is and only scanning what looks interesting; which is invariably quite subjective to boot! - "Which bar-ends to get?" usually has me back at the vices! (work-top type unfortunately...)

Re: Time-frame...: I will reckon on being able to take it in next wednesday....

...sure u don't wanna hear more on my "oral-antal fistular"?? :eyecrazy:

*noting the time, I had better get off.... ;)

:clap: always entertaining.

[Marcus]

will you ever type anything that doesnt need a google search to find out what your talking about?

[Marcus]

will you ever type anything that doesnt need a google search to find out what your talking about?

Antal is not available in the general English dictionary and thesaurus. Try:
Wikipedia encyclopedia

:thinking:

Not even in the dictionary dude!

I assume its something to do with analyse of some fistula. You crack me up!

[sharpe1]

Try anal fistula.

[dungbeetle]

yeh i was thinking sumthin to do with a bum to!!!

[zenodamper]

Sharpe1 & Dungbeetle: suffering from coprophilia?

Antal?, hmm... I suppose my spelling might be off there Marcus; but was what the dodgy dentist geezer said.... Antal as in sinus. Wisdom toothy-peg into nose yeah? ;)

[dungbeetle]

nah now ya just speaking another language mate....
and i dont think ya can catch that coprophilia twice, so youll be safe mate:D

[kellz]

antal??? dam that dont ring a bell and im a nurse lol..

[zenodamper]

antal??? dam that dont ring a bell and im a nurse lol..

Well, my spelling can get sketchy... hold on, will look....

Ok, well, thing to bear in mind is that I grew up with another language during me formative years... - right, I missed out an "r" - one poxy ickle (little: UK) "r" (FFS & LOL); so I tend not to see these silly combos of 26 letters as quite as important as others - like, why is it not feckin' logical?

Antral - Oral-antral fistular

http://www.medicaledge.org/newspaper/n-2004september20.html

..."The most likely explanation of your symptoms is an oral-antral fistula. A fistula is an abnormal passageway between two parts of the body. When your upper back tooth was removed, a passage was created between the extraction site and your upper jaw sinus, or antrum (thus the name “oral-antral fistula”). This complication is relatively common. In most instances, these passages are very small and go unnoticed by the patient and the surgeon. Occasionally, however, there are more extensive problems.

When a fistula doesn’t heal quickly, saliva from your mouth can enter the sinus. Because saliva contains bacteria, patients can develop chronic sinus infections, which often discharge material into the mouth. Sometimes, this process goes on for years without treatment, and patients believe this is normal. It is not. It can and should be treated."...

Now, how do I afford this? The time, the money? Reminds me of me snapped P.C.L - medical care is a luxury though.... would be lovely to get everything fixed...alas... :Kat00:

[kellz]

ahhh now that makes sense..

fistulas suck, they are so hard to detect..

good luck with it

[sharpe1]

Sharpe1 & Dungbeetle: suffering from coprophilia?



Now that's just disgusting!!

[Marcus]

sounds like surgery. Maybe a nasal spray will give you temp reliefe

[zenodamper]

Hmm... and surgery sounds like no work; no money; no jellymeat for my pussies.... :lmao:

[Marcus]

Im sure its only day surgery.

Your cat will live off bread and milk. Wheetbix is good! I fed my sisters cat dog food for a while. It soon learns to eat it.

http://www.break.com/index/impatient-kitty-wants-food.html

[zenodamper]

Mine will eat vegemite.... is that queer? (Ellie used to eat ginger nuts)