Non hydroscopic Brake hose (whinge)

[RIPPERTON]

Just bought this 8mm brake fluid tube as advertised on Formula Extreme from an online mail order (motorcycle) accessories joint in Cherrybrook, AUSFR. The tube is supposed to be brake fluid proof and they sell it at $3.20 an inch !! . And the so called special plugs wich are just press in caps are $1 each and was supplied and charged for 2 even though I only asked for one. And $5 reciepted delivery meant I had to wait till Saturday to go down the post office to get it. ARGH..but...the finished job turned out ok looking and well see if really is "non-hydroscopic" tube.

[zRoYz]

Yeh it's a bit rich for what it is but still not that much, I was going to buy some myself so will be interested on your findings after a track day.

Your prob going to already but I would lightly zip tie that tube to your braided line because the heat from exhaust may cause line to flop.

[RIPPERTON]

Yeh it's a bit rich for what it is but still not that much, I was going to buy some myself so will be interested on your findings after a track day.

Your prob going to already but I would lightly zip tie that tube to your braided line because the heat from exhaust may cause line to flop.

Good thinking but yeah I was going to tie it
The normal tube beads up on the out side with what can only be brake fluid, It looks like condensation but this stuff hasnt done that yet
Thanks, its refreshing to see other good mechanics out there

[lilninja]

is there any rea benefit to one of these other tha the very slight saving of weight?

[Turtle]

is there any rea benefit to one of these other tha the very slight saving of weight?

saving 100grams is what its all about dude !!!! i have the same thing..

[lilninja]

hehehe i will go on a diet first i think, Its cheaper than bolt on weight savings plus itts not like itll hurt me!

[Turtle]

hehehe i will go on a diet first i think, Its cheaper than bolt on weight savings plus itts not like itll hurt me!

It might cost you more.....new smaller leathers etc...etc....

[lilninja]

nah I have put on close to 15 kilos since I bought my leathers so they may fit like there supposed to! and I can get a back protector!

[Johnny]

That just looks too flimsy to me, will it even hold the correct amount of fluid ? and without heating fluid up being so close to exhaust ? never mind the fact of it possibly kinking from heat.

[Poyda]

It's all about lookin the part....part gp racer, part bling wannabe. I will be making this mod myself when the new m/cyl arrives

[Zee]

I reckon you'll have issue's with thw cap staying on (if you use the rear brake)
There is no bleed to atmosphere for the fluid to travel/move like in the oem setup.
I fear with these mods the cap may pop off, that's why I haven't done it to mine.

[Turtle]

JBW has the tube set-up and hasn't had any probz ??? i just put the same set-up on mine but am yet to use it .......hope it doesn't leak ......

[jasonbw]

Thats right, no prob with the cap but its well secured. Same as Jai Alcorn.
Theres is very little tubing available that doesnt sweat... HRC and Brembo are the only two I know of.

[Zippa]

Chris has this setup on his CBR400 trackie & has done for ages, no probs with leaking, not sure if he uses rear brake or not though. Can post a pic if anybody wants to see. :confused1:

[jasonbw]

That just looks too flimsy to me, will it even hold the correct amount of fluid ? and without heating fluid up being so close to exhaust ? never mind the fact of it possibly kinking from heat.

No stress there, lived with it on my street bike for a year straight, no hassles... I removed the rear pegs and damn, the CBR1000RR has a rear reservoir that looks plain wrong when the pegs are gone, so thats why I did the mod.

Jai runs this (as mentioned) on his trackkie CBR1000RR and it works fine.

Only downside is its a PITA to bleed due to needing to funnel the fluid in nearly constantly. But the proper gear would make it easier.

[Dr freedom]

There is a guy on SV portal who makes & sells these.

http://www.dougzcustoms.com/ click on the pics. He calls it a brake delete kit.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Edougzweb/dzkit1.jpg

[Johnny]

No stress there, lived with it on my street bike for a year straight, no hassles... I removed the rear pegs and damn, the CBR1000RR has a rear reservoir that looks plain wrong when the pegs are gone, so thats why I did the mod.

Jai runs this (as mentioned) on his trackkie CBR1000RR and it works fine.

Only downside is its a PITA to bleed due to needing to funnel the fluid in nearly constantly. But the proper gear would make it easier.
mm OK, thanx for that, was a genuine ask for me and glad you answered it the same, cheers.
Though I can see what you mean about it being a pita to bleed, so that said, no need for it on the gix, reservoir is set right and not hideous enough to even worry about, but good to see some of you take advantage of it :ayyy:.

[tarmac]

Weight on your body, can be moved to where it can be put to best use. Weight on the bike is more or less static.
Sometimes it pays to be a little heavier especially if that extra weight is made up of useful muscle (rather than fat). ;-D

[Turtle]

Thats right, no prob with the cap but its well secured. Same as Jai Alcorn.
Theres is very little tubing available that doesnt sweat... HRC and Brembo are the only two I know of.

:confused1: :confused1: :confused1: :confused1: Hey Jase i was looking at my Brake tube today and guess what ............covered in Sweat and level has gone down 10mm ???????? :wtf1:

[tarmac]

even the hrc tube I have sweats a little.

[lilninja]

Weight on your body, can be moved to where it can be put to best use. Weight on the bike is more or less static.
Sometimes it pays to be a little heavier especially if that extra weight is made up of useful muscle (rather than fat). ;-D

Nope mostly fat!

[RIPPERTON]

Kay after Phillip Island dual ride days the hose has performed as promised (no sweat or yellowing) but the plug is crap, its just a dust cap for hydraulic parts and really should be something better and yes I did loose it so the second one came in handy. The inside of the hose has to be dry for the cap to stick.
Other than that you can stick it with some duct tape (fugly). Theres no rear heat issue in that area as there a lot of ambient air flow so it wont effect the fluid. The volume is also not a problem as rear brakes dont wear much but at the end of the day it would be advised to remove the cap and pump the brakes a few times to let the fluid compensate for wear and then refit the cap.

[lilninja]

I have sen small zipties used on the hose to stop the plug from popping out, or may be a small hose clamp so it grabs both the hose and the plug?

[jasonbw]

Heres a pic of mine, it never sweats, in 12 months of street riding with a few track days I havent had to top it up (but I've bled it twice).
This'll give you the detail of how to attach the top cap. It has NEVER come loose!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~jasonbw/photos/bikes/My_2005_CBR1000RR/satos/PIC_0008.JPG
Note: its 700k in size (so I've linked instead of embedded the pic)

[Turtle]

Heres a pic of mine, it never sweats, in 12 months of street riding with a few track days I havent had to top it up (but I've bled it twice).
This'll give you the detail of how to attach the top cap. It has NEVER come loose!

http://members.iinet.net.au/~jasonbw/photos/bikes/My_2005_CBR1000RR/satos/PIC_0008.JPG
Note: its 700k in size (so I've linked instead of embedded the pic)

Hey Jase how much gap do you have between the top of your fluid level and the bottom of the cap ??

[jasonbw]

Big gap since the last flush.... I've had it sitting at only about 20mm fluid for ages.

[Turtle]

Big gap since the last flush.... I've had it sitting at only about 20mm fluid for ages.

Do you think having low level of fluid could allow air into the brakes if the fluid is "Tossed" up over a bump ....

[RIPPERTON]

Do you think having low level of fluid could allow air into the brakes if the fluid is "Tossed" up over a bump ....

Nope

Jason thats the caps that I had in mind, what do they cost $40 each ???:thinking:

[jasonbw]

Got them for free !!

in the HRC kit that cost $40 :) :) :)

Honestly I dont know where I can get them, but they were in that HRC kit.

[WET4URacing]

you are all a bunch of wankers.
the reason you use a HRC brake tube is so it dosnt sweat like the cheap shite you twats always stick on your bikes and the main reason is you use a HRC brake tube when you fit adjustable rearsets the standard resivoir hose dosnt kink. the real hoses can be bought from a HRC supplier or wet4uracing.com.au

[jasonbw]

you are all a bunch of wankers.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
whats wrong with that??? I've been married for 10 bloody years!!!
Get back to ya drinkin !

[Zee]

http://ausfr.com.au/cart/shopexd.asp?id=126&bc=no

[RIPPERTON]

you are all a bunch of wankers.
the reason you use a HRC brake tube is so it dosnt sweat like the cheap shite you twats always stick on your bikes and the main reason is you use a HRC brake tube when you fit adjustable rearsets the standard resivoir hose dosnt kink. the real hoses can be bought from a HRC supplier or wet4uracing.com.au

Oh man this is a bit out of character and in need of editing :thinking:

[Johnny]

Oh man this is a bit out of character and in need of editing :thinking:
no, I like it, he's only saying it like it is, and cant argue with that for a second.. Gives good enough reasoning for me.


:)

[Dr freedom]

If you contact the many plastics & tube makers in the phone book, your bound to come up with something.

[Sprinter]

Oh man this is a bit out of character and in need of editing :thinking:


I think you will find this is very much in character :)

[tarmac]

I bought an HRC kit. It was sealed in an HRC bag, HRC part number sticker on it and all.
It still sweats a little.

[jasonbw]

I bought the same one, HRC bag and all... no sweat... well, I say that BUT maybe its just that I havent checked closely enough, often enough! It works well though doent it? Not needed to top yours up have you?

When I changed my brake and cluch master clylinders I made a couple of new brackets to position the reservoirs in the right spot, was told by Dan Kyle that the Brembo stuff is the only non sweat tubing... so I bought that stuff. (but since have found the HRC stuff to be great).

Anyway, final point, if you need it, spend the right money and get the right kit.

[tarmac]

Yeah, the tube I had before on a couple of previous bikes (also HRC) didn't sweat at all. But this piece does.
Never using the rear brake means I never have to top the thing up but I do leave an air gap of at least 15mm just in case.

[Turtle]

I have double clamped this puppy so all i can put it down to is the hose ......JBW is the hose okay with Dot 5.1 ??? seems a little milky to me ??? might turf it and go back to the reservoir......

[Turtle]

JBW Is it from the same piece of hose you have ???? :confused1:

[jasonbw]

Yep, I cut about a 1/3 off the hose and gave you the 2/3rds...so its the same hose.. dont chuck it, if you dont want it I'll use it on my old R1. I use DOT 4 or 5.1 either is fine... I havent used dot 5 (5.0) too much trouble. besides, even the cheapest dot 4 on the back I havent noticed a diff to the most expensive!

[Turtle]

Yep, I cut about a 1/3 off the hose and gave you the 2/3rds...so its the same hose.. dont chuck it, if you dont want it I'll use it on my old R1. I use DOT 4 or 5.1 either is fine... I havent used dot 5 (5.0) too much trouble. besides, even the cheapest dot 4 on the back I havent noticed a diff to the most expensive!

I'll let you know what i decide to do......i have cleaned it off and taped it to keep an eye on the level, i may remove it and re-do it again.....

[zRoYz]

FUCK people make me laugh who needs to go to a circus to see clowns when you can read so much funny stuff on forums.

Your new clear light weight brake res tubing thingy-me-jig sweats.....big bloody deal it's on the outside of tubing. Now the tube sweating has 2 reason for doing so which are as follows;
1. If you use a high grade brake fluid it is silicon based being a synthetic now silicon attracts moisture, the hose also will be silicon based, reason all your little electronic goods come packed with little bags full of silicon beads.
2. Your brake fluid is cooler than the outside air temp which causes your silicon based products to form sweat on the outside, the heat from exhaust is main cause.

The reason you have to buy special hose is not so it doesn't sweat because they all will using that type of product, you use the special stuff so it doesn't degrade containing brake fluid.
You don't want it to sweat then insulate the clear hose & it won't but sort of defeats the purpose of having clear hose.

THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE THE BIG BLACK RUBBER HOSE SWEAT IS IT'S A BETTER INSULATOR WHICH IS WHY THE BLOODY FACTORY USES IT FFS SO IDIOTS DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT SWEAT

[tarmac]

FUCK people make me laugh who needs to go to a circus to see clowns when you can read so much funny stuff on forums.

Your new clear light weight brake res tubing thingy-me-jig sweats.....big bloody deal it's on the outside of tubing. Now the tube sweating has 2 reason for doing so which are as follows;
1. If you use a high grade brake fluid it is silicon based being a synthetic now silicon attracts moisture, the hose also will be silicon based, reason all your little electronic goods come packed with little bags full of silicon beads.
2. Your brake fluid is cooler than the outside air temp which causes your silicon based products to form sweat on the outside, the heat from exhaust is main cause.

The reason you have to buy special hose is not so it doesn't sweat because they all will using that type of product, you use the special stuff so it doesn't degrade containing brake fluid.
You don't want it to sweat then insulate the clear hose & it won't but sort of defeats the purpose of having clear hose.

THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE THE BIG BLACK RUBBER HOSE SWEAT IS IT'S A BETTER INSULATOR WHICH IS WHY THE BLOODY FACTORY USES IT FFS SO IDIOTS DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT SWEAT

1. No (using dot 4 non silicon)
2. Also no. Hose will sweat over night even if the bike hasn't been run.

I repeat (for the hard of hearing who shout a lot) two previous bikes with the same part numbered HRC tube, had no sweat in any condition.
I probably have a piece from a bad batch on this bike.

[zRoYz]

1. No (using dot 4 non silicon)
2. Also no. Hose will sweat over night even if the bike hasn't been run.

I repeat (for the hard of hearing who shout a lot) two previous bikes with the same part numbered HRC tube, had no sweat in any condition.
I probably have a piece from a bad batch on this bike.

:ayyy: hey what you say :)

my point still stands because all your saying is that you have had some tube that didn't sweet, which I don't question except the chemical make up of that hose was better. humidity is a funny thing & differences in outside air temp to the contained fluid without a good insulator would be most likely cause of sweet. If it's contained fluid leakage then that's another story. The other tube you had might have been a little thicker so hence better insulation, I'm just looking at why condensate forms because if not brake fluid that's what is forming on tube.

Could you do a test?
Insulate the tube you have, you can get refrigeration piping insulation that has inside dia you will need & just slip it on tubing like a sleeve & zip tie.
At a time after bike use or standing still remove insulation & see if any moisture (not brake fluid) on tube surface.

Anyone with this problem & wants to try above tell me your tube size & I will give you some insulation for the test (I will be at track day op 1st dec).

If there is still moisture I will be happy to retract what I said & post I'm totally wrong.

[Turtle]

FUCK people make me laugh who needs to go to a circus to see clowns when you can read so much funny stuff on forums.

Your new clear light weight brake res tubing thingy-me-jig sweats.....big bloody deal it's on the outside of tubing. Now the tube sweating has 2 reason for doing so which are as follows;
1. If you use a high grade brake fluid it is silicon based being a synthetic now silicon attracts moisture, the hose also will be silicon based, reason all your little electronic goods come packed with little bags full of silicon beads.
2. Your brake fluid is cooler than the outside air temp which causes your silicon based products to form sweat on the outside, the heat from exhaust is main cause.

The reason you have to buy special hose is not so it doesn't sweat because they all will using that type of product, you use the special stuff so it doesn't degrade containing brake fluid.
You don't want it to sweat then insulate the clear hose & it won't but sort of defeats the purpose of having clear hose.

THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE THE BIG BLACK RUBBER HOSE SWEAT IS IT'S A BETTER INSULATOR WHICH IS WHY THE BLOODY FACTORY USES IT FFS SO IDIOTS DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT SWEAT

Roy i am using a piece of hose cut from the same length as JBW, his seems to be holding the fluid with NO beading on the outside, mine on the other hand is Beading and i have a significant drop in fluid level which i can only put down to the different type of fluid we are using.............(you smartass)..
either way, the HRC hose which is supposed to be GOOD stuff is failing some how ??

[ninjasuz]

I was using one of these set ups for 3 months without any problems. I just used a cable tie on the cap. Switched to a GP type reservoir.

[Johnny]

Ive installed air conditioning in the past, what zROYz saids about the sweat is spot on in case of airconditioning anyway, which is why we had to insulate them.
On the bike, I wouldnt know, but cant imagine its actual fluid ?

[zRoYz]

Turtle I wish my ass was smart then I would have 2 big brains :lmao: (I need the extra brain cells for the one's I destroy)

Any piping that contains fluid that is cooler than out side air temp by a fair margin will form condensate or sweat. If you go into a underground car park you will see just the domestic cold water piping sweating.

The point here is the sweat on these clear lines is it brake fluid which means the hose has become porous & seeping fluid or it's dripping out the crappy top caps on full lean angle. If it's water which is what condensate is moisture in the air then insulating the line better or finding thinker/better quality line may help.

[Turtle]

Turtle I wish my ass was smart then I would have 2 big brains :lmao: (I need the extra brain cells for the one's I destroy)

Any piping that contains fluid that is cooler than out side air temp by a fair margin will form condensate or sweat. If you go into a underground car park you will see just the domestic cold water piping sweating.

The point here is the sweat on these clear lines is it brake fluid which means the hose has become porous & seeping fluid or it's dripping out the crappy top caps on full lean angle. If it's water which is what condensate is moisture in the air then insulating the line better or finding thinker/better quality line may help.

Water or A/C piping is understandable but brake fluid which really should be the same temp as outside air, as it isn't in any type of insulated environment, should be the same temp, i just thought it was something in the brake fluid which causes it to "weep" through the plastic hose ??:confused1:

[zRoYz]

Water or A/C piping is understandable but brake fluid which really should be the same temp as outside air, as it isn't in any type of insulated environment, should be the same temp, i just thought it was something in the brake fluid which causes it to "weep" through the plastic hose ??:confused1:

granted the brake fluid should be at same temp as out side air if bike standing still in a unchanging enviroment like the example sitting in the garage. when bike running depending on how much you use rear brake which on track isn't much the motor heat will increase temp allot around outside of tube.

I would say the problem is just the quality of tube & you get what you pay for, if clear tube in any form was good to use you think factories would release bikes with it as standard even if res used for the bling factor but they don't (makes me ask why?)

[Turtle]

granted the brake fluid should be at same temp as out side air if bike standing still in a unchanging enviroment like the example sitting in the garage. when bike running depending on how much you use rear brake which on track isn't much the motor heat will increase temp allot around outside of tube.

I would say the problem is just the quality of tube & you get what you pay for, if clear tube in any form was good to use you think factories would release bikes with it as standard even if res used for the bling factor but they don't (makes me ask why?)

This tubing is the GREENISH coloured HRC stuff, which is supposed to be Good Stuff...i havent used the bike since i put it on, so there has been no change in temp....??

[jasonbw]

Easy fixed, ready... take the tubing off, or FORGET about it :) honest, it'll be fine.... stop stressing, if your worried then remove and rest easy.

[Marcus]

How about teflon tube, same shit they make brake hoses from which is then externally braided.

Earls should sell it. Pretty sure its white only.

[Turtle]

How about teflon tube, same shit they make brake hoses from which is then externally braided.

Earls should sell it. Pretty sure its white only.

If this clear tubing doesn't work i'll put my shortened 'Master' back on.....no probs...