who can help do my valves adjustments?

[dilbee]

Its time for my 24,000 k service on my gixxer. I havn't done anything like this b4 and is there anyone who can do this for me or help me out.

[Captain]

Not me, I don't understand these things ...

[zenodamper]

Have know-how; but have no-time.... You can do it - go buy clean sheets, and clean casing and over-hanging wires and pipes really well before opening rocker cover - nitride gloves are nice too - oh and clean sheets to rip up from St Vinnies cost little, supports a charity and will keep everything covered nicely when open (getting tea or answering phone) - don't leave uncovered longer than needed to check stuff. Prolly only needs a check, and not actual adjusting.... oh, and thinner feelers bend, thicker can give false readings - enjoy!

[zRoYz]

You can do it

No he can't unless helped because valves aren't a novice thing to attempt, get it wrong & those few dollars you saved just turned into more dollars needed.

I can ask 5 different people who haven't used a feeler gauge before to do measurement & all of them will be different.

I have said this before on forums & always get flamed but if your not a mechanic or have a very high mech ability then use a mech, it's funny but they do a 4 year course to learn there skills & people think they can pick it up if a friend shows them. Yeh right friend does all work for free when other friend should have been a better friend & not asked.

Anything that doesn't involve opening the motor up can be attempted by anyone with guidance but the rest is mech domain if you don't already have the skills to do so.

[holdontight]

No he can't unless helped because valves aren't a novice thing to attempt, get it wrong & those few dollars you saved just turned into more dollars needed.

I can ask 5 different people who haven't used a feeler gauge before to do measurement & all of them will be different.

I have said this before on forums & always get flamed but if your not a mechanic or have a very high mech ability then use a mech, it's funny but they do a 4 year course to learn there skills & people think they can pick it up if a friend shows them. Yeh right friend does all work for free when other friend should have been a better friend & not asked.

Anything that doesn't involve opening the motor up can be attempted by anyone with guidance but the rest is mech domain if you don't already have the skills to do so.

What he said

[Pokey]

When i had my valves checked for my 24000k service the mechanic didn't even open it he just put his vacuum gauge thing on and he said it gave an indication if they needed adjusting or not

What he said made sense, to me at lesat and not opening engine means less time which means less money :ayyy:

[zenodamper]

No he can't unless helped because valves aren't a novice thing to attempt, get it wrong & those few dollars you saved just turned into more dollars needed.

I can ask 5 different people who haven't used a feeler gauge before to do measurement & all of them will be different.

I have said this before on forums & always get flamed but if your not a mechanic or have a very high mech ability then use a mech, it's funny but they do a 4 year course to learn there skills & people think they can pick it up if a friend shows them. Yeh right friend does all work for free when other friend should have been a better friend & not asked.

Anything that doesn't involve opening the motor up can be attempted by anyone with guidance but the rest is mech domain if you don't already have the skills to do so.


Well, yeah, I agree; but if every post I made was like this people might get pissed! Ha ha

...thought I wait a few months or a year, and then revert to usual mannerisms! :lmao:

[zRoYz]

When i had my valves checked for my 24000k service the mechanic didn't even open it he just put his vacuum gauge thing on and he said it gave an indication if they needed adjusting or not

What he said made sense, to me at lesat and not opening engine means less time which means less money :ayyy:

He would have done a compression test which is holding pressure inside cylinder on up stroke. It is a indicator & nothing more, the problem with this is most valves when things wear will always sit fully seated because valve clearance increases. What this means is your valves wont open as far as they should & reason rattle noise increases. How a compression test or any test other than opening your engine & manually inspecting them is a means of inspection is beyond me.

[Turtle]

I'll have a go at it.....

[Pokey]

He would have done a compression test which is holding pressure inside cylinder on up stroke. It is a indicator & nothing more, the problem with this is most valves when things wear will always sit fully seated because valve clearance increases. What this means is your valves wont open as far as they should & reason rattle noise increases. How a compression test or any test other than opening your engine & manually inspecting them is a means of inspection is beyond me.

Maybe that explains why the daytona seems to be getting a bit rattly, i just thought it was related to the use of the right hand :p

[Zee]

He would have done a compression test which is holding pressure inside cylinder on up stroke. It is a indicator & nothing more, the problem with this is most valves when things wear will always sit fully seated because valve clearance increases. What this means is your valves wont open as far as they should & reason rattle noise increases. How a compression test or any test other than opening your engine & manually inspecting them is a means of inspection is beyond me.


My experience's with valve clearances on motorcycle engines and some Japanese small car engines is that the tolerances generally become smaller with miles hence holding the valve unseated.....that's why compression test.

[zRoYz]

I'll have a go at it.....

Remind me not to follow you on track incase your CBR motor eats it :lmao:

You guys are lucky with inline 4's & the only thing I hate about my VTEC (did I mention I really hate it :cursing: ) I have to remove 4 cams 3 times just to do valve inspection on a VTEC VFR, inline 4 you do 2 once. I'm just happy I can do it because I know even mech's out there that don't do the correct required inspection for the VTEC & it takes me about 12 bloody hours from start to finish.

[holdontight]

My experience's with valve clearances on motorcycle engines and some Japanese small car engines is that the tolerances generally become smaller with miles hence holding the valve unseated.....that's why compression test.

Thats due to valve seat resesion.

[RIPPERTON]

I wouldnt put it passed the Japs (or other engineers ftm) to equate valve seat wear with bucket/cam wear thereby minimising the dissadjustment factor but theres nothing difficult about sliding a feeler gauge under a cam and writing down the reading and figuring out which shim to order, just do it

[oz r1]

it's beyond me how a compression test will determine valve to tappet clearance's, biggest problem i have come across is people doing there own clearances is not getting the tappet 180 degree's away from the highest point of the cam lobe then adjusting the clearance,and also confusing hot and cold adjustment ,both leaving the valve slightly open and burning a valve.
if you hav'nt done it before dilbee don't do it your self.a compression test will tell if the valves are'nt seating properly and for ring wear but tappet clearence,it has no effect on the actual valve seat unless adjusted wrong then as i said before the valve stays open and burns the valve and possibly the seat.
over time the wear and tear of the rocker or tappet end up giving you a larger gap,so the tapping noise gets louder.

[r1_dav3]

it's beyond me how a compression test will determine valve to tappet clearance's

never heard it called valve recession but i know what you mean

when a motor becomes harder to start when hot (while still remaining easy to start when cold) and is around 30k-50k km its a good chance the valves need new shims.

valve recession will cause the valve stems to sit higher and held open longer by the cam lobe. This is exacerbated by heat (expansion) which causes the stem to sit higher again. So you could say loss of compression in this context is an indicator of valve recession.

[Dr freedom]

Its not difficult. If you have a bike with fairing & all that, it requires it all to be removed so you can get the rocker cover off.
Once you have done that, its all there for you.

However, yea, if your not confident, then take it to a mechanic.

[dilbee]

bike is done. I let em do it at actions at parra such as work in Parra. All up cost me 700. :( Il and filter change & with motul 4L of oil on the side for my next oil change and also they found a F@#kin nail in my near new rear pilot. Last tyre was like like and couldn't get fixed.:cursing: I asked to have the oil replaced in the forks but they said it looked fine and it wouild cost more as the K5 has to have the seals done as well if to do the oil. Well the bike is done now and its a little quiter when cold on start up. Bike was fine b4 but its better now.

[oz r1]

bike is done. I let em do it at actions at parra such as work in Parra. All up cost me 700. :( Il and filter change & with motul 4L of oil on the side for my next oil change and also they found a F@#kin nail in my near new rear pilot. Last tyre was like like and couldn't get fixed.:cursing: I asked to have the oil replaced in the forks but they said it looked fine and it wouild cost more as the K5 has to have the seals done as well if to do the oil. Well the bike is done now and its a little quiter when cold on start up. Bike was fine b4 but its better now.

why don't you go to westerns?

[Big Lunt]

Sorry guys but I would not take to actions as I have had too much trouble with their service centre in the past - and their guys are rough as nuts whent it comes to handling other peoples bikes.

Sorry but this had happened to me a couple of times so sorry if you know anyone that works there.

They ruined my fork caps on my K1 gixxar when it was in for a warranty job on the fork inserts!!! Also they put the forks in the vice without a cloth around it - please explain!!!

Anyhow valve clearance on their own should not cost more than a couple of hundred dollars - had mine done by the mechanics at helmet warehouse and the bike rode great and stopped blowing smoke as well.

Cheers

[Roadster]

Sorry guys but I would not take to actions as I have had too much trouble with their service centre in the past - and their guys are rough as nuts whent it comes to handling other peoples bikes.

Sorry but this had happened to me a couple of times so sorry if you know anyone that works there.

They ruined my fork caps on my K1 gixxar when it was in for a warranty job on the fork inserts!!! Also they put the forks in the vice without a cloth around it - please explain!!!

Anyhow valve clearance on their own should not cost more than a couple of hundred dollars - had mine done by the mechanics at helmet warehouse and the bike rode great and stopped blowing smoke as well.

Cheers


whats a few hundred dollars?

[saf]

whats a few hundred dollars?

A suspension upgrade.

[SIX36]

A OIL change at Actions LOL

[jace]

Farrrk !

thread resurrection...:confused1:


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[Big Lunt]

The valve clearance cost me $240 and they had to do a couple of shims.

Thread resurrection - why not

[saf]

A OIL change at Actions LOL

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[jace]

Make it stop ! Its making my eyes go all funny.....:eyecrazy:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:


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