rats only group at eastern creek

[dungbeetle]

we have discovered something in asbs's new rules for this year.it seems a group can book out one whole group at a track day. so instead of having A, B1, B2, C, there would be A, B, C, and RATS.....the group needs 35 riders.
obviously we would have all 4 riding groups in one. but the slower guys and girls can be assured that you wont be in the way and you wont be harrassed for being a little slower. in my opinion it would make the slower guys faster because you know who ya out there with and ya know they arent worried about being held up or anything. we are all mates here and riding all in one group i think would be beneficial to all, and heaps more fun to!!:D

were planning on doing this on the sunday 6th may track day at eastern creek. this will be mays track day date. we will need to know very early who is a definate for this so that we can book it before people start booking into all 4 groups. we will also need early payment for the same reason. this post is just to gauge interest if you lot are keen on the idea. we will start a new post once we have decided if its a goer....but we need to know asap...

so whos keen?:ayyy:

[Cleverlie]

Wow, sounds great, i'll try to be in for that one, get 35 riders easy...ish. :ayyy:

[fatcat]

I'd be in that providing i have the $$$

[dungbeetle]

if we get enuf interest maybe we could book out 2 groups!!!:D

[Cleverlie]

That would be a real big turn out if there was 2 groups booked of rats.
Somethings tells me the track to road riders are a little unbalanced.

[shane]

Id be keen.

Sorry that i cant give you a dead set response right now, but this really sounds promising!

Very good idea.

[dungbeetle]

dont need definates now, just interest...but if everyone is keen then we will need definates early..
please post up if ya dont think its a good idea to. we need feedback!!

[Dunno]

Geez I would love to commit right now, but the reality is that I cant. I have a heap of commitments on their way & just cant ($$$$$).

However I will still do my best to swing this one past the boss & if Icant make it I will make sure I round up at least 2 of my mates who should already be RATS members to take part in this cos I reckon this is the beginning of something huge. If we dont make the numbers it probably wont be offered again. So put me down as a yes & if I cant make it I can guarantee there will be at least one person if not two to take my place.
In saying that I will do my very best to make it.
Good one Dungy! :ayyy:

[Cleverlie]

We'll it is a good idea and i reckon we can get a full one easy enough because the last track day was 31 riders so yeah, should get 35 riders easy.

[Sprinter]

All things being equal Id be interested. Too far away though to be more definate sorry.

[rasper]

I will be in on this fore sure

[shane]

Only thing i see wrong with it is, some riders may just want to go bat outa hell on the track so they wont want to ride with slower members...

That's going to be the only reason you wont get 35 ridrs...in my opinion.

We can get alot of members who wont mind but i'm nort sure if it would be 35

If everyone rode as fast as each other then yeah it'd be the next step and easy to put together.

I think its a fantastic idea and would support it :ayyy:

[MATTK6]

yeah, i'd be in that dungy, but i will wait to see how it all go's if it's a goer, then you can put me down on the list.:ayyy:

[Dunno]

Only thing i see wrong with it is, some riders may just want to go bat outa hell on the track so they wont want to ride with slower members...

That's going to be the only reason you wont get 35 ridrs...in my opinion.

We can get alot of members who wont mind but i'm nort sure if it would be 35

If everyone rode as fast as each other then yeah it'd be the next step and easy to put together.

I think its a fantastic idea and would support it :ayyy:

Mate if you are a faster & better rider, its your job to get past slower riders with a minimum of fuss & show the respect that your fellow RATS members deserve.

Being a slower rider means you just do your own thing & ride at a speed that you are comfortable with. The worst thing you can do is spend your time looking over your shoulder, lookin for someone & changing your line. I realise there are some really quick people amongst us,but if they are as good as I think they are , they will be able to pass the slower riders without ruining anyone elses day..

[MadHatter]

My opinion is on hold..

[shane]

Mate if you are a faster & better rider, its your job to get past slower riders with a minimum of fuss & show the respect that your fellow RATS members deserve.

Being a slower rider means you just do your own thing & ride at a speed that you are comfortable with. The worst thing you can do is spend your time looking over your shoulder, lookin for someone & changing your line. I realise there are some really quick people amongst us,but if they are as good as I think they are , they will be able to pass the slower riders without making ruining anyone elses day..

I agree totally mate.

Just something that i thought could be a problem, not alot of people ride with slower riders that's all, and the reason alot of them go into the faster groups is to get away from us slower riders...

But i guess we'll have to wait and see what we get going. :)

[zRoYz]

count me in thanks :-)

[Dunno]

QUOTE=MadHatter;7230]I can't see myself cracking a 1.42 while weaving through C grade riders :([/QUOTE]

mate I cant see Shaun Giles breaking the 1:30 mark while weaving through blokes doin 1:42s. But if he wants to set a lap record he will do it at a race meeting. If he wants to do a rideday & have fun on the track with his mates he will be at a RATS trackday. If you really want to go that fast, go in A group.
As much as I like to go fast I really dig riding with my mates, there is nothing better than pulling off a great move with your close mates in audience.

You will probably go past me like im goin backwards , but at least I will be able to tell you how cool you looked with the arse end hangin out:)

[Bigdog]

Good post Dunno, there's nothing like riding on the track with your mates. It will be just like a road ride, the fast guys will probably start first and the slower guys/gals will follow thereafter. As long as everyone realises that it is not a race or that there's any competition, then it will be all good. I'm in this for sure.

[_chado77]

i'll give it a whirl (i personally loved getting hosed in A grade last week)but there is a few safety issue to consider..

besides quicker riders getting frustrated weaving around ppl all day(and possible leading to mistakes)... there are a few more issues..

intimidation/scaring of new track day riders by having ppl fly past all day etc

but most importantly i think the speed difference could end up being quiete dangerous

EG.
turn 1 will be pretty dangerous having ppl doing 1.40ish & ppl doing 2.00++mins trying to share the same piece of road ..

justa few thoughts

[Poyda]

NO offence to the slower riders, cos i am still one, but if this is the format for the day then the faster riders will have the shits big time by the end of the day when they just cant get a clean run all day. I reckon it would be good if we could do it for maybe one or two sessions, but not all day.

[MadHatter]

As a one off event it would be nice.

[GRL13]

NO offence to the slower riders, cos i am still one, but if this is the format for the day then the faster riders will have the shits big time by the end of the day when they just cant get a clean run all day.

maybe I have da problem solve-ed.
if I'm doin 2 minutes and your doin 1:46ish.
that's 14 seconds right.
14 secs X 6 laps = 1:40.

providing we all get a clean out, tha speed demons will have a clear run for a while. maybe 5 laps.

so we line up the same as a normal track day.
A
B1
B2
C

or
B1
A
B2
C

anyway, it's not like the rabbits won't be watchin out for us turtles


I will say yes for now, not sure because work issues.

[pan]

I love the idea and I'm good to go for the set date!

I agree with the views that it's not about doing the best time you can, but about having a bit of fun with mates. Those running 1.30's can still have fun lapping at 1.58 and "teasing" slower riders.

I like the idea of quicker riders slowing down for me around turn 10, 11, and 12, then lining up against the Hayabusa down the straight to see if there IS a difference in power to the ground between (for example) a TLR or ZX10 and 1300cc of sexy chromed out bling power!

I say let's try it!

[Kat00]

I`d be in.
The attraction for me would be riding with my mates.
Its not the sought of thing you would do regularly, once a year at most would be pretty good I reckon.
You couldn't go out there with the expectation to set a PB but ya could set it up to do 1:45`s all day long and hardly see any traffic all day.
Watching this thread will be interesting.

[Jordan]

I`d be in.
The attraction for me would be riding with my mates.
Its not the sought of thing you would do regularly, once a year at most would be pretty good I reckon.
You couldn't go out there with the expectation to set a PB but ya could set it up to do 1:45`s all day long and hardly see any traffic all day.
Watching this thread will be interesting.

:stupid: i think i agree with kat00. Would be great fun, say once or twice a year, but i would also like to get plenty of trackdays in where i can push and try to get along with people my pace or faster.

But you can definitely count me in. So long as it isn't every single one i think it will be an absolute blast. :mod_smilie_bj:

[Kat00]

So long as it isn't every single one i think it will be an absolute blast. :mod_smilie_bj:

Mate, once a year would be plenty :ayyy:

[VINNIE]

Good idea Dungy:ayyy:

And in Dunno's words "As much as I like to go fast I really dig riding with my mates, there is nothing better than pulling off a great move with your close mates in audience."

And i also think it would be good for a few of our faster riders to show our slower one's how they do it.By going slower and showing us slower riders what lines they take,what seating position they are in and just showing us there fellow members what makes them so fast.I'm all for this one and it is good to see a few of our faster members keen as well.I look forward to learning of them:ayyy:

ON YA DUNGY:ayyy:

[Zee]

After reading all of your concerns about the speed differential, I'm in. No better way to learn how to go fast than for it to be shown first hand. It'll be just like The Putty Rd ride only with no cars, armco, gravel and cops..............tops :ayyy:

[daz]

Its not so bad for the guys on litre bikes but personally on a 600 its a bastard trying to get past slower riders that are on bigger bikes...

Actually come to think of it EC isn't too bad at all compared to getting held up at QR ;)

[Zee]

I pass guys on thousands and ride a 600. If ya get run on them from turns 10 11 and 12 you'll stick with them down the straight and pass them in the turn in zone. They back off at the 200m mark. Although I have the feeling that it won't be that easy in B1.

[GRL13]

Daz, I'm on a 400.:ayyy: gettin around litre bikes is only a bastard for me, when i get around them on the corners and spirit past on the lil straights. then i go round them again, and again and again. they soon give up in discuss at to their ability.:confused1:

[Zippa]

Sounds like a good day. I enjoy riding at a slower pace & showing a few lines, body position etc to the guys that want to learn. Makes the day a whole lot of fun. And if the quick guys go out first they will still get in 3 or 4 laps with no traffic, maybe more?
Will have to check my work roster closer to the day to commit totally.

[Falco]

im up for anything, count me in for a definite when it come to ride days. love it!

[Motovated]

I would be in it for sure if the date suited me. Time before last at EC I did some sessions in the A group and loved it. It helped me realise I could be going MUCH faster - I did my best laps ever.

Having said that I agree with what others have said about it being only a once or twice a year thing. The fast guys won't always wanna be mixed in with slower riders.

[daz]

I pass guys on thousands and ride a 600. If ya get run on them from turns 10 11 and 12 you'll stick with them down the straight and pass them in the turn in zone. They back off at the 200m mark. Although I have the feeling that it won't be that easy in B1.


Err yeah... :shifty: ... see in the A group I don't normally have too many troubles

But in the slower groups like B1 you can get people taking quite defensive lines ie hold you up in the turn then gas it hard on the straights and you're left with no answers down the straight

Like I said things aren't so bad at EC because turns are not all linked by big long straights :ayyy:

Generally I guess though a RATS only group would be quite courteous to each other so there shouldn't be problems

[Johnny]

In the aim to boost numbers to show it can be done, yes interested, but being like 4 months away, impossible to commit 100% now.

[mike-s]

if i'd done superbike school or a trackday before then i'd go for it. As i've never done a trackday i'd prolly say i'd have to steer clear till i get the hang of it.

have fun out there though.

[shane]

if i'd done superbike school or a trackday before then i'd go for it. As i've never done a trackday i'd prolly say i'd have to steer clear till i get the hang of it.

have fun out there though.

Mate i've never done a track day before and id be in on this!

the faster/more experienced guys will look out for us!!

[Jacs]

wow. sounds great!! id be in for that for sure our own group on any bike as well..

[GRL13]

excellent, grate to see that people want to ride with there mates. I know fore sure, that I'll wanna be lookin for some faster lines from you boyz (race ............lines! :lmao: :lmao: ).

[Birdman]

sure why not, im interested

[Johnny]

I know fore sure, that I'll wanna be lookin for some faster lines from you boyz (race ............lines! :lmao: :lmao: ).

ooh thats sneaky :mod_smilie_rockwoot

[MATTK6]

hey grl13, i think it will work well all the way through the group.
for everyone that is just that little bit slower then the person in front of them,eg: you follow say me, vinnie follows you, and so on and so on.

[Birdman]

hey grl13, i think it will work well all the way through the group.
for everyone that is just that little bit slower then the person in front of them,eg: you follow say me, vinnie follows you, and so on and so on.

sounds like we are going to be stalking each other:)

[_chado77]

sounds like we are going to be stalking each other:)


stalking sounds fun.. its the red mist to watch:)

[MATTK6]

:lmao: in a way i geuss we will be stalking each other, but hey, i'll be more then happy to show anyone that's a little bit slower then me the lines i take, but i will never say i take the best lines, just the ones that work for me at the moment:lmao:

[Wardy]

I reckon if everyone goes in with the right attitude it could be a great day...but if not there will be carnage.

I'll be in on it if it goes ahead but will be treating it as a road ride. Flat out where it is clear or the bloke in front is predictable and a bit slower where it's jam packed and everyone is all over the place. As EC is a large track I'm sure we can spread it out and enjoy.

[dungbeetle]

well we got about 27 yes's and a few no's...which aint really enuf yes's, but i reckon we may be able to do it...the date and details will be posted up in the near future...

[Jordan]

how many do you need to book out the group... the magic number..

[shane]

I think it was 31 or 35....off the top of my head

[dungbeetle]

35 is the magic number...but if we fall a couple short it shouldnt be a problem...
we may change the date to...were gonna work out dates for the rest of the year this weekend!!:D

[Birdman]

im sure we could get a couple of ring ins

[OzFighter]

Im up for this idea for sure! I think it would be better for all riders involved. If you want to go fast, then practise your passing skills. For the slower guys, it would fell better knowing your fellow rats are all on the track with you. Ive seen you guys race and i would trust all of you. Ive seen non-rats out there on the track and theyre f*kn psychos!! I wouldnt want to be out there for the first time with some of those nutters! Oh wait...i will be (OP)!
Count me in for sure!

[stormr]

I'd be a definite starter and I'm sure I could get a few others along as well.
I think GRL13's idea on an A-B1-B2-C start was an excellent suggestion to address the speed differential problem.
We could almost certainly also get ECRD to send out a marshal or 2 to accompany the inexperienced people around and show them the correct lines etc.
As a once a year event I'd also be happy to help out with some mentoring and hopefully pass on some of the things I've learned in 50+ track days at the creek

[mike-s]

Ok, reviewed it, and yeah, im interested, but im going to be able to do precisely JACK before the end of may (saving the $ till march, and a license suspension aren't helping my cause here :-\ )

[Bigdog]

I'd be a definite starter and I'm sure I could get a few others along as well.
I think GRL13's idea on an A-B1-B2-C start was an excellent suggestion to address the speed differential problem.
We could almost certainly also get ECRD to send out a marshal or 2 to accompany the inexperienced people around and show them the correct lines etc.
As a once a year event I'd also be happy to help out with some mentoring and hopefully pass on some of the things I've learned in 50+ track days at the creek

Thats an excellent attitude stormr and it's exactly what is needed by the faster guys. We are looking at around June to host this event and I reckon if everyone has the same attitude as stormr then the day will be a huge success.

[stormsearcher]

css school level 3.count me in.whens the date ?

[MATTK6]

yep, i'm an inner for it:ayyy:

[shane]

fingers crossed!

[Mozzie]

I can see the future and Im there, and Im sure my mates wdz11y,bulow53,pete will be too.We are all new members and are hear to stay.

[Bigdog]

Hi Mozzie and welcome aboard mate.

[Mozzie]

Sorry mate just seen the date. Iknew I was slow.

[jasonbw]

Bugger, I just re-read the whole 7 pages looking for when it was re-scheduled to :) :)

Welcome to the RATs Mozzie!!

[dungbeetle]

we are gonna be organising sumthin similiar to this later in the year...prolly get some info up in the forums towrds the end of july so keep ya eyes peeled!!:D

[Bigdog]

+1 What Dungy said. We have some big plans for a Rats only rideday later on in the year. It's gonna be huge.

[jasonbw]

You organisers are awesome, thanks for making this so easy for us who just sit back and reap in the RATs rewards!

[Turtle]

You organisers are awesome, thanks for making this so easy for us who just sit back and reap in the RATs rewards!

+1

[MadHatter]

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuge

[jasonbw]

Woo hoo, I bought a track only bike JUST in time !!!!!!!

Yeah baby!

[Marcus]

Pics or ban

[jasonbw]

Twas Monos R1 :) 'fraid I might not do it justice though, Mono used to circulate around the creek at 1:42 !!!
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL656/2704834/6645403/156795380.jpg

[lilninja]

Ide be in on this, that would be awsome fun, only thing is there wold have to be clear rules about passing, maybe a coloured sticker on the back of leathers helme to represent gade etc to identify if passing up the iside is ok etc!

[pan]

Twas Monos R1 :) 'fraid I might not do it justice though, Mono used to circulate around the creek at 1:42 !!!
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL656/2704834/6645403/156795380.jpg


:mod_smilie_rockwoot

Way to go Jase!

Did I ever mention I do a 1:21 on my Busa?? :)

[jasonbw]

Woo hoo, thanks Pan... I was talking the whole of Eastern Creek circuit :) :) :)

P.s. Great idea lilninja, Streamers on helmets for A group riders, Whirly windmills for B1 and B, and L plates for D group ?

And pink for Dungy :) :)

[pan]

That IS the whole of EC (though I do count in my head becasue I don't have a lap timer! :ayyy: )

[jasonbw]

Those Hayabusas are deceptively fast you know... :)

Anyway, back on topic (sorry) I'd happily go for the RATs only group, so long as we had enough people to hang during our session to make sure stands and warmers stay where we left them?

[MadHatter]

It would only be us there, the stands and warmers aren't going anywhere.. A lot of people bring their family too, plenty of guards about. We are thinking about putting on an all day BBQ and something for the kids on this day to encourage people to bring their family members along.

[jasonbw]

If its only a RATs group (opposed to a RATs whole track day) then heaps of others will be there though, but its great to know others would be around.

A RATs only trackday sounds great too :)

[lilninja]

I know it op not EC but my old man and his car clu VeeDub club sydney used to hire out oran park for a whole day for themselves to use the straight for drags, would this be easily done or are there different rules on hiring the track these days!

[Prettyboy]

We (gunnamotorsport) did a similar thing @ Wakefield.

3 x groups of cars

1 x group of bikes.

Day ran smoothly, plus we had the option for drags.

[dungbeetle]

I know it op not EC but my old man and his car clu VeeDub club sydney used to hire out oran park for a whole day for themselves to use the straight for drags, would this be easily done or are there different rules on hiring the track these days!

looks like we will be having a track day in december just fior us....but we have to sort out some details still so the post will be up about it by the end of july...keep an eye out....

we have also tentatively booked wakefield for november next year and are waiting confirmation of a booking at wakefield early in the year next year.

[jasonbw]

bumpity.. :) I'm keen :) :)

[Zee]

This isn't really going to be a trackday now, is it?? :confused1: You know it will turn into a race. The Rats Championships :lmao:

[lilninja]

Hehe maybe for you zee but i personally know that your just not fast enough to keep up with the trumphy!:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Zee]

A Dual!! :lmao: :eyecrazy:

[lilninja]

Not really more of a dead rubber!

[SLAC]

this sounds good, gives me a chance to take the TLR out and the GISXA... im keen and ill be in that dead rubber too boys

[DAVID]

This isn't really going to be a trackday now, is it?? :confused1: You know it will turn into a race. The Rats Championships :lmao:

You stay in the pits zee sum may have a chance.

[craig connor]

Yeh wakefield can be hired out from as little as $2300 a day!! Divide that by 60 riders and see how cheap that works out to be!


If you ain't first your last

[clarkey]

It would only be us there, the stands and warmers aren't going anywhere.. A lot of people bring their family too, plenty of guards about. We are thinking about putting on an all day BBQ and something for the kids on this day to encourage people to bring their family members along.

This would be great ,is there any more progress on this event as yet?:ayyy:

[Zee]

You stay in the pits zee sum may have a chance.

Nah just trash talk...egging yas on :ayyy: There's rider's here that are plenty more faster than me. :o

[Irena]

Yeh wakefield can be hired out from as little as $2300 a day!! Divide that by 60 riders and see how cheap that works out to be!


If you ain't first your last

Thats awesome, even if 40 riders , its still a good price and safe ride day with heaps of fun, we should do it :mod_smilie_rockwoot :mod_smilie_rockwoot

[jasonbw]

hmm, 40 riders = $57.50 each.. is there a catch? do other TD's have ambos or other costs?

[Irena]

hmm, 40 riders = $57.50 each.. is there a catch? do other TD's have ambos or other costs?

Yes, I think we should pay for ambos, He he, I guess we just need to ask our admins to find out more about it:mod_smilie_rockwoot

Last year Master Roy gathered around 40 of us, track, ambor plus Wkfield license, cost us around $100 each and track was all ours,
the best track day so far , not many ppl.......................

[jasonbw]

WOW, that'd be great!!!! We could take over a motel / campsite there too :) :)

[Irena]

WOW, that'd be great!!!! We could take over a motel / campsite there too :) :)

Yes, we had 3 different groups , we still had basic rules for the track,
there were two marshals , mother and daughter :lmao: :lmao:
cafeteria was open all day,some guys stayed over night in motel, the rest went back home the same day,
it was a day I'm going to remember for long time ,

Hey Admins, Can we do it again please :drool: :drool: :drool:

[jasonbw]

I think we are already, its called Phillip Island and we're taking over the place :)

Seriously, I'm in for Wakefield... that would be great!

[dungbeetle]

we aint doin the eastern creek group cause it was just gonna be a pain in the arse!!
but we do have 2 bookings for wakefield next year:D subject to what the racing calendar is doing. so i cant give ya dates yet!! but there is on site cabins and we can take our own food and the bbq as the cafeteria down there wants body parts for a bottle of water!!! im trying to get a sat or sun in feb and another in nov but we will see once the racing calendar is finalised...

[lilninja]

That would be so so sweet!

[Zee]

November should be okay but in February you run the risk of very high temperatures 40+. Goulburn gets fukin hot and cold too. I turned up there earlier this year, middle of summer. 9 degrees air temp and a few showers in the morning...it hadn't rain for 4 years prior to that :mad: but you can't book the weather now can ya :(

[dungbeetle]

yeh your right zee, but we cant wait til the last minute to book it....i tried to get a weekend this year, emailed them at the start of this year, and there was only 2 weekends left!!! so im getting in early for next year!! probably go for early march id say....

[quickchick]

Sounds great Dungy. A great weekend out for everyone and their families too. A RAT invasion!!

[Turtle]

What date ????

[kellz]

dont have dates yet turtle.. prob wont have them for a couple of months, as they need to finalise the race schedule for not only bikes, but the cars, trucks, utes, etc etc etc...