Story on old rd on news tonight.

[Johnny]

Heya guys..

Just incase anyones intersted, there will bea story run on Channel Seven news at 6pm tonight, re the old rd. In particular, the dual lane uphill section, and Councils/RTA doing the bodgy fix off, ie, that squigly black slippery shit ( read shiny stuff they fill in cracks with), they laid cause they are too much a tightarase to do it proper, full well knowing how dangerous it is to us riders..
Heard about this while at Wollombi pub today, on the Rats putty ride.

Turns out a friend of mine was one of ones interviewed. So got his permission to post pic of his bike ( which Ive had for a while, day after mothers day).

This is what happened to his bike, while coming down the hill from Pie, early morning to visit his mum on mothers day. He was only doing 60ks, make no mistake, he can ride, a once sponsored racer, who gave it away.. The rest on how, I guess will be on news.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/gixar/Repsol.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/gixar/Repsol1.jpg


Tightarse Council/RTA, is revenue raising all you can do ?? or call dropping speed limit, fixing the rd.. ffs, those who know that section, will know its near impossible to miss the shit, its like aspiders web all over the entire three lanes..

[zRoYz]

With the closed section & that section of road now in the spot light is the reason I don't bother to ride there anymore unless passing through from another location. I used to enjoy the OR but these day steer well clear.

[Turtle]

Heya guys..

Just incase anyones intersted, there will bea story run on Channel Seven news at 6pm tonight, re the old rd. In particular, the dual lane uphill section, and Councils/RTA doing the bodgy fix off, ie, that squigly black slippery shit ( read shiny stuff they fill in cracks with), they laid cause they are too much a tightarase to do it proper, full well knowing how dangerous it is to us riders..
Heard about this while at Wollombi pub today, on the Rats putty ride.

Turns out a friend of mine was one of ones interviewed. So got his permission to post pic of his bike ( which Ive had for a while, day after mothers day).

This is what happened to his bike, while coming down the hill from Pie, early morning to visit his mum on mothers day. He was only doing 60ks, make no mistake, he can ride, a once sponsored racer, who gave it away.. The rest on how, I guess will be on news.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/gixar/Repsol.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/gixar/Repsol1.jpg


Tightarse Council/RTA, is revenue raising all you can do ?? or call dropping speed limit, fixing the rd.. ffs, those who know that section, will know its near impossible to miss the shit, its like aspiders web all over the entire three lanes..

I know what ya saying Johnny, its liquid Bitumen, and is especially bad when the road warms up...last time i went to the OR i also had a BIG slide in the same place !!!! These DICKHEADS should resurface that section...

[twowheeldan]

bummer, hope he came out of it ok. bike looks a little worse for wear. atleast the ass end took the brunt instead of the front.
the old road as just been steadily going downhill for awhile now. and in typical RTA style they couldn't give a s#*t.

reminds me of the story they did on those big metal plates the put down when fixing roads, they admitted that once the grip compound comes of them they are slippery as all buggary.

and the push for these new wire rope barriers on motorways. atleast the motorcycle council is kicking up a stink about it.

anyway will be watching.

atleast your mate is still around to tell the tale.

cheers daniel

[BART]

Just caught the story on the news. It will be interesting what happens from here. Nothing like the threat of litigation for action to commence.

[Johnny]

atleast your mate is still around to tell the tale.
All be it on crutches :lmao: ( if ya watched it) :lmao:







To think he once had dreadlocks :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[MATTK6]

i agree with what everyones saying, but sorry, the way that rear end is bent up almost looks like a flip:confused1:

[Johnny]

i agree with what everyones saying, but sorry, the way that rear end is bent up almost looks like a flip:confused1:
This how..

He was coming down the hill into a decent right hander, rear slipped on the stuff, steps out, steps out a little far, lowslides, spins bike sliding towards cliff, him still on it, see walls, shits himself, kicks away bike, only thing to do unless you want the cliff wall to do to you, what it did to the bike that slid in revese to it..

[twowheeldan]

yep watched it. better on crutches than in a box.
hope he is better now.

maybe with some tv coverage something gets done.

[Johnny]

Yeah. More cops :lmao: :lmao:

[twowheeldan]

good point. :ticketgrumblesmile:
why spend money when they can make it eh

[Turtle]

Was it that first hard right hander just down from the Pie ?? Or the second BIG one just before you go over the bridge...??? Johnny ??

[NuTteR]

bugger. missed it and can't find the video online. Anyone know where i can find it?

[oz r1]

bugger. missed it and can't find the video online. Anyone know where i can find it?

yeah i looked as well, maybe on 7 online monday.

[dilbee]

here is the link
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=248153&cl=8326850&ch=248154&src=y7news

[Falco]

Ohh its slippery alright, nasty shit on hot days. :cursing:





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[twowheeldan]

:crysmiley: :crysmiley: :crysmiley: :crysmiley: :crysmiley: :crysmiley:
brings a tear to the eye to see a storm down like that.
hope you came out in better shape????

[Captain]

Ouch!!!!!!

[Johnny]

One before bridge Turtle..


Falco, that pic with the writing in the shit saids it all !

[oz r1]

thanks for the link dilbee , good story , lets hope they do something(rta) there good at taking our money how bout spending some before someone is killed or permanently maimed.

[Captain]

thanks for the link dilbee , good story , lets hope they do something(rta) there good at taking our money how bout spending some before someone is killed or permanently maimed.

'Yes, let us hope, because it is so sweet and comforting to hope' - Count of Monte Cristo.

Sorry, I like the quote.

[NuTteR]

no shit. That same corner took me out. On my zzr 250, so it ain't about too much power at the rear tyre!

I got lucky, the rear of my bike started to slide, then before I knew it I was off for a slide. According to my mate following behind, the bike stayed upright through 180 degrees, before crashing to the ground.

I hate tar snakes.

[Dr freedom]

The shit is Bitumen.

You can rest assured that there will never ever been anything else used to fill in gaps in ashphalt.
As mentioned, when its hot, its even more slippery. The stuff needs to be heated or diluted to work with.

Mix bitumen with small cut aggregate & you have ashphalt, or tarmac as some call it.

[Manny]

Not good news, I do thunderbolts and Oxley as often as I can.
But lately on Thunderbolts from the begining just after the entry bridge(near Poley's) right thru to the lookout and on the Oxley twisty bits.
These F/wits have been using a one man pot hole fix machine/truck with a boom over the front, the driver controls the boom over the pot hole sprays hot wet tar in them drops in a shot or two of gravel. Thats it. Not finished or swept clean, nothing.
The result is a semi dry patch of loose sharp gravel of sizes ranging from 1 ft to 3 foot in dia. This leaves a problem as you might imagine. They might as well throw hand fulls out the window as they go along.
I've been caught out, lucky it's not cost me.
Just a warning.

[Turtle]

Thanx mate, yeah Marcus sent me the Vid.......maybe now these Clowns will finally do something about fixing it....

[Johnny]

copy and pasting following from elsewhere


Did anyone else hear that theree was almost another collapse of the old road due to land washing out from underneath the road due to all the rain the past 2 weeks?

WTF ?, if this is true, the RTA has alot to answer for.

[Naked Twin]

part of the old highway is no longer "owned" by the RTA. The section of road that did collapse (along with the sections north of the Hawkesbury) as I understand it belongs to Gosford Council not the RTA. I could be wrong but I believe that is partially why the road has been in a pour state or having band aids applied to fix the surface as Gosford Council doesn't have or want to pay the funds to fix it.

With regards to the tar situation unfortunately the majority of bike accidents can be attributed to excessive speed (refer to RTA stats) no the road condition thus making it difficult to convince the RTA to do more.

Personally they should at least add sand to the tar (don't know if it is possible but I am sure it is) as this would make it highly abrasive so in theory add grip. Lets put it this way on the red bus lanes have grit in it to add grip.

Nick

[Captain]

With regards to the tar situation unfortunately the majority of bike accidents can be attributed to excessive speed (refer to RTA stats) no the road condition thus making it difficult to convince the RTA to do more.


Rubbish, I have seen enough stats to recognise manipulation. What's the bet that the data comes from police reports? What do the police ALWAYS say? That 'speed' was involved - of course speed was involved, if there was no speed you would'nt be moving. Excessive is added as the excuse to the above statement.

There is truth to the stats, however, in that the speed was certainly excessive for the conditions however, the fault lies with the 'conditions' (shitty surface); if the conditions were improved, the speed would have been fine.

[Alex.]

Damn that's a nice signature Julian. Do you have a version without the red crap on the girl :)

[KTM_Paul]

Damn that's a nice signature Julian. Do you have a version without the red crap on the girl :)

Yeah here ya go HERE (http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/Nov06/09_Valentino_Rossi_Mercedes_DTM/1091055Rossi3.jpg) :ayyy:

[Alex.]

Might give that one a miss.

[Captain]

Damn that's a nice signature Julian. Do you have a version without the red crap on the girl :)

G'day Alex!!!!!! How are ya mate? C'mon, when are you coming back, now we could be having so much fun on our bikes, I need you to show me some race lines ....

:ayyy:

[Dr freedom]

Personally they should at least add sand to the tar (don't know if it is possible but I am sure it is) as this would make it highly abrasive so in theory add grip. Lets put it this way on the red bus lanes have grit in it to add grip.

Nick
You can get a sand based bitumen. Cant say Ive seen it being used in NSW tho..

[Johnny]

part of the old highway is no longer "owned" by the RTA. The section of road that did collapse (along with the sections north of the Hawkesbury) as I understand it belongs to Gosford Council not the RTA. I could be wrong but I believe that is partially why the road has been in a pour state or having band aids applied to fix the surface as Gosford Council doesn't have or want to pay the funds to fix it. Not 100% certain if it infact does belong to the RTA or GCC, if GCC, they where allocated $750 000 just two years ago, to fix the rd. They did, speed limit dropped over night to 60, whilst talks in progress on what to do, Between RTA, locals, and mc groups, they won, for the time being, as now they are about to have their arse handed to them on a plate, for the loss of 5 lives who fell into that hole. Case still not closed and proceeding.


With regards to the tar situation unfortunately the majority of bike accidents can be attributed to excessive speed (refer to RTA stats) no the road condition thus making it difficult to convince the RTA to do more.
Read above, but also keep in mind, it was once a 100 zone.

[Naked Twin]

Rubbish, I have seen enough stats to recognise manipulation. What's the bet that the data comes from police reports? What do the police ALWAYS say? That 'speed' was involved - of course speed was involved, if there was no speed you would'nt be moving. Excessive is added as the excuse to the above statement.

There is truth to the stats, however, in that the speed was certainly excessive for the conditions however, the fault lies with the 'conditions' (shitty surface); if the conditions were improved, the speed would have been fine.
Captain don't get me wrong I am only tell you how it works. But if you have ever been up the old road before they made it a 60 zone and policed it, it was a race track, so there is some truth that the excessive speed was a contributing factor to may of the accidents. As for the argument "the fault lies with the conditions" well one should ride to the conditions is simply what we will get as a response.

Johnny, yes it was a 100 zone for much of the road (not the full length as I am told but I am too young to remember) but that was when it was the major arterial road North/ South and was maintained as such (for that era). It was also at a time when road deaths were about 3 times what they are now.

I am fairly confident the road that collapsed is owned by GCC as the RTA has done the massive duck shove an said it was not up to them to maintain, the only thing I am not sure of is how far south that ownership extends.

Nick

[Captain]

No worries Nick, please don't think I was having a go at you.

My comment about the 'conditions' refers to when the riders have come off the slippery bitumen in question. Obviously the road gripped fine up to that point, then all of a sudden the bike slides ..... a reasonable person would expect that the road condition would be reasonably consistent through a turn, wouldn't they?

Most likely it is due to some brainless dimwit who decided to pour this liquid bitumen crap in the cracks rather than do a proper repair. Was it the guy doing the repair, the RTA, the council? a contractor? Who made the decision to do a half-arsed job?

I almost came off a few weeks ago, there were idiots painting a new white line on the side of the road but the warning sign was up ahead rather than behind .... as a warning to drivers (coming the other way) who will never find themselves on that side of the road anyway. You need to be really smart to do shit like that. Bastards.

Whilst we're sorrounded by idiots we will always suffer.

[Johnny]

Last night while going up and down that section on the Knights ride, them squigly lines where covered in mud, yeah mud, the whole length and width of lane, more so going down. Not sure how or why, but it was covered in Mud !
Take care guys.

[spanky158]

Tis the reason I haven't ridden up there either day or night for a while. Still haven't got new tyres for the bike yet, and with the dodgy front I have at the moment, I don't need anything else to add to the slipperiness....

[LAW]

I read in the paper the other week that the Pac Hwy is the "highway of death" because there have been 16 accidents so far this year (between Brisbane and Melbourne is the bit they don't mention). I ignore statistics.

I was up there with Dilbee a few weeks ago and we were having similar troubles with traction and can remember complaining about it then. The trouble with resurfacing the road is that people will go faster because it's safer (I know I would and I know others have said the same thing), the whole thrill is pushing the limits, if they raise the limits then people will only try and stretch the new limits. What they really need, I've been saying this for years when I was living in Brissy, is more accessible race tracks. A system where you can drive on and pay with Etag or whatever per lap. Cars must be road legal, no overtaking under brakes, only one car can enter the track every 30 secs (example) and if you're black flagged for stupid shit you must exit the track immediately.

I hate people saying "the government should do more" because that just encourages a quick fix that is visually appealing and makes thier stats look good but doesn't find the source of the problem, which isn't the road surface (entirely).

I can't understand why the government is so keen to make L's and P platers drive at unsafe (imo) slower speeds. All it would take is for some twat to not pay attention and (worst case senario) he's doing 120km/h and learner is doing 80km/h. Most small cars wouldn't cope with that and an L plater doesn't have the skills to hold it on the road, but if it's a bike it's guaranteed fatal.

Also they are more than willing to enforce restrictions for inexperienced drivers (with a strangely intense zealotism) and yet do nothing to restrict the incompetent drivers. The speed limit is there to accomodate the lowest common denominator, so a 95 year old female minority driver with a blood alcohol content of .049 should be able to comfortably negotiate that road in a '72 Toyota Corona with the same skill level as Mark Webber in a Golf R32 :confused1: .

I'm not saying they should limit more people, but be more relaxed under certain circumstances, perhaps there should be several "grades" of licence allowing increased speeds on designated roads/road types. "Every K over is a killer" Bullshit. In a perfect world as cars and bikes have advanced so would the governments safety department :lmao: they have actually lowered speed limits :dohsmiley: . This suggests to me that average road user has declined immensly in competence. As cars and private transport become more of a "norm" it is seen as a neccessity so it becomes increasingly easier to become legally proficient, however the same skills are still required.

The problem isn't (in most cases) the road surface, or the road arrangement ("Black Spots" are a joke imo), in 99% of cases the problem lies with the operator, better training (not just in vehicle operation under normal circumstances but oversteer, brake lock-up, spinning, evasing driving) and more comprehensive testing is needed. I had a woman on my L's course who said "Can you shift for 2nd to 1st while the engine's on?" and she was obviously incompetent in the operation of a chair let along a bike and yet she was given an open licence to kill herself and others. This can't go on.

I'd love to rant more but this post is too long and I don't blame you for not reading it. Here's a summary.

:piss2:


LAW

[PlatinumGrit]

Too long? Not at all. I read it all, totally agree. I think licensed drivers should be given consessions on insurance and rego for enrolling in defensive driver courses every 5 years or so.

Those who haven't done a driver training course in say, 10 years, would have an equivalent levy applied to their insurance and rego to the rebate given to those who do the courses. It would encourage people to get some driving skills.

There are so many people I see who simply cannot drive to save their lives. On the weekend walking down Liverpool St opposite World Square I saw an Asian kid in a Merc who took up **2 lanes** trying to reverse park into a spot that was at least double the length of his car. The horns are shrieking and beeping and he's backing the merc up onto the pavement and increasing the angle of attack and being utterly and completely USELESS and when he finally did get it parked (if you could call it that) the car was about 4 feet away from the gutter and the arse end was jutting out into traffic. I've never seen a more retarded park job in my life, and what's worse it occupied the space 2 cars should have been able to park in. And it took 5 minutes for him to do it.

I could go on with increasingly more useless examples, but I think we all could so there's no point.

[OutOfControl]

^^^
felt a slight onset of road rage just reading that

[Turtle]

I've stayed away from the OR for quite a while, the road is in need of some repairs, also with the crap all over the road from "Roadworks" its not as enjoyable as it used to be.........has there been any updates as to repairs to that road ?

[Captain]

I went up the old road today, with my daughter on the back. Damnation if the road is not the most slippery road I have ever encountered .... even worse than I had imagined. That black stuff is really, really slippery, I lost the rear (slightly) on two occasions, and trust me I was going easy.

[phizog]

Its ok if you're 'phizog slow' ;)

[msmola2002]

Heya guys..

Just incase anyones intersted, there will bea story run on Channel Seven news at 6pm tonight, re the old rd. In particular, the dual lane uphill section, and Councils/RTA doing the bodgy fix off, ie, that squigly black slippery shit ( read shiny stuff they fill in cracks with), t

i don't ride very often on the orad. But I hit that black shit a few times on the RATS run thru wiseman's ferry not long ago. Evil stuff.

[LAW]

i don't ride very often on the orad. But I hit that black shit a few times on the RATS run thru wiseman's ferry not long ago. Evil stuff.

Is it still slippery at 4.5km/h? :stirthepot:

[Turtle]

Is it still slippery at 4.5km/h? :stirthepot:

Even at 3km/h.......

[joe]

i crashed on there last month only doing 55kms....

its was a gorgeous night for riding,wasnt too cold at all...it happened few corners from pie in sky going down hill...it was a right hander i hit the black filler shit must have been dew on it i lost the front and the bike slide on its right side...i too was coming close to wall...i had my full leathers on like always n i have not gone back there since...
i do love that road so so much but not gonna risk it happening again until they fix it all up...
i did have the qualifiers on then too,thats why i changed them!!!!!